HOLY.... that Youmuus nerf..

Dreadlocks·Jun 28, 2017·3 votes·636 views

Take it easy over there riot.. pls

Wow i was excited for these assassin item changes, now i hope they dont go through, just lookin like fat nerfs ..

12 Comments

RengoooJun 28, 20173 votes

Why is everyone focusing on yomuus being the nerfed item...

-5 AD

100 cost

In exchange, more ooc movement speed, and the active gives a massive 40% movement speed (decaying).. Sure its slightly less of a damage-y option, but the mobility it gives will be huge, and probably not properly appreciated yet.

As for the other items though.. Across the board assassins will just straight up have less damage, which seems like straight bs to me cosidering the spot they are currently in.

DreadlocksJun 28, 20171 votes

Because if people wanted OOC MS on an assassin they'd buy mobis? It's not just Youmuus, its Duskblade too... they nerfed everything for this 99% slow for .25s which is great, but not at the expensive of everything else it offers.

There is still no point for a lot of assassins to even buy these items when they could get item 3156 item 3812 item 3026 etc and not get blown up, while still getting the same damage..

Seriously though.. look at this:

Build patch changed to [Serrated + Caufield's + XG] Total Cost lowered from 3250 to 3000 Attack damage lowered from 65 to 55 Unique Passive- Nightstalker - proc damage changed from [75 + 200% lethality] true damage to [150 physical damage.] [added] Unique Passive- Nightstalker proc now slows by 99% for .25 seconds. [added] Now grants 10% cooldown reduction. [removed] Out of Combat Movement speed lowered from 20 to 0

So i lose 10 AD... for 250 gold less hmm, then my true damage proc that was already fairly weak, but at least scaled, is not changed to a crappy 150 flat phys dmg that no longer scales... and u get a slow and 10% cdr.. I'm sorry but all these changes couldve been while retaining the 65 AD and the True-damage proc, while just removing the ooc ms.. This item as it sits is a joke.. I'll never buy this item.. 55 AD are you serious? why because i get 10 lethality it's good? Please i'll save the extra 500 gold and get item 3812 have 80 AD do just as much if not more damage, and not get blown up.

RengoooJun 28, 20171 votes

Mobi's + Yomuus will be rediculous... Is pretty much all I'm saying. Mobility in its own way is a defence against getting blown up, and there is no reason you can't get the items you mentioned in addition to yomuus.

Whether these changes will work on not, I can see what they are trying to do with the item, its trying to give assassins power without just outright buffing their damage.

Not arguing against Duskblade changes, I to think they are very average considering it was the only proper mid to late game-ish item assassins had access to. If Riot wants to go through with these changes they need to add another heavy ad item designed for assassins, but make it orientated towards later in the game to compliment the likes of Yomuus, Duskblade and Deaths Dance.

As it sits these changes are a pretty big overall nerf to assassins damage, particularly as the game goes on.

DreadlocksJun 28, 20171 votes

Mobi's + Yomuus will be rediculous... Is pretty much all I'm saying.

testing it rn, its really not any different than live.. sadly

Not arguing against Duskblade changes, I to think they are very average considering it was the only proper mid to late game-ish item assassins had access to.

and it was still inferior to Youmuus..

As it sits these changes are a pretty big overall nerf to assassins damage, particularly as the game goes on.

As someone who plays, and def played assassins a lot more in the past.. I will not sacrifice damage for these changes.. it's not worth it.. I'll still buy youmuus, but these other 2.. are just weaker than other AD items for their cost.

ErockandrollJun 28, 20173 votes

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Why is everyone focusing on yomuus being the nerfed item...

-5 AD

100 cost

In exchange, move ooc movement speed, and the active gives a massive 40% movement speed (decaying).. Sure its slightly less of a damage-y option, but the mobility it gives will be huge, and probably not properly appreciated yet.

As for the other items though.. Across the board assassins will just straight up have less damage, which seems like straight bs to me cosidering the spot they are currently in.

Honestly, I think were putting too much stake into Lethality items as a whole. Were expecting them to offer all the utility an Assassin wants, all the damage assassins want, without it being abused by any other class. Yet their are only 3 such items in the game. So an Assassin is always going to dabble out side of Lethality for it's full build.

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There is still no point for a lot of assassins to even buy these items when they could get etc and not get blown up, while still getting the same damage..

And I don't especially find anything wrong with this. Lethality items should provide options for Assassin, but not necessarily have to be the defacto choice.

Looking at the item changes myself. Ghostblade = Good, Duskblade = Not so good, EoN = Meh.

Vapor Wave VibesJun 28, 20172 votes

Youmuus only has 60 ad, so if they take away some the item will become more than worthless. OOC movement speed is worthless for this item if I could just buy mobility boots and the item gives in combat ms. Really I could see assassins being in a worse position, but I may just need to see actual numbers.

Shadow GilgameshJun 28, 20172 votes

I don't play a lot of pure assassins, but I like the changes on the only two characters I DO buy Youmuus on ( MonkeyKing and Pantheon ) It'll give me the enhanced roam close to item 3117 , without having to give up the passives and slight defense stats of item 3047 or item 3111

I'd gladly pay 5 AD and 100 gold to get 30 armor or 25 MR elsewhere in my build, let alone getting AA damage reduction or tenacity.

DreadlocksJun 28, 20171 votes

Youmuus was good on them before these changes.. lol

Shadow GilgameshJun 28, 20172 votes

I know it was good on them before, it's usually my first item on them, I'm just saying -5 AD is unlikely to change that, especially when it lets me roam better even if I don't get mobis

DreadlocksJun 28, 20171 votes

The only change i like with these Lethality changes, is the CDR on Duskblade, everything else is less than desired from my perspective.

Shadow GilgameshJun 28, 20171 votes

Yeah, duskblade and to a lesser extent edge of knight got shafted, way worse than ghostblade, which looks like it got changes to accent it as the roaming item. The other two kinda just got "here's the same item, but worse from every angle"

DreadlocksJun 28, 20171 votes

Why not just leave the concepts the same as they are?

Duskblade - high damage Youmuus - high ms Edge of Night - high defense

put them all at 3k gold, fine.. make duskblade the superior damage option, and edge of night's focus on the defensive part.. keep youmuus the same...

Everything looks like straight nerfs right now, and then riot thinks that because Lethality could scale off YOUR level, that it's going to be worth losing the AD/Damage? Yeah, thanks for that sliver of Armor pen Riot.. the .5 Armor Pen is worth it! not...