https://youtu.be/F0hdYptU9Yo?t=144
i dont think it even matters what his gold or items are... this should not be possible, even at full build vs somone with only 3 items. this kind of damage is not ok.
i dont pretend to know what kayn was building, but i do know that i can't imagine any scenario where that should be possible.
ModAcademy Kayn16 votes1.) How Fed was Kayn
Notice how he hit every single one of them with his E, the hardest hitting ability for SA Kayn
Notice how they're all squishies
SwiftKitten883 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bgh0A2hV,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-31T17:26:24.618+0000)
1.) How Fed was Kayn
Notice how he hit every single one of them with his E, the hardest hitting ability for SA Kayn
Notice how they're all squishies
again i dont think that matters at this point, none of that matters, yeah if were are talking about chucking somone for 75% hp sure... but this is a legit one shot.. on multiple champsions... then one champion with an single auto. there is no situtation where that should be ok REGARDLESS of how "fed he was"
Ahristocats18 votesi can show you ap pantheon oneshoting 5 people
does not mean it's broken
in any situations you should not forget the context
SwiftKitten881 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bgh0A2hV,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-12-31T18:01:12.212+0000)
i can show you ap pantheon oneshoting 5 people
does not mean it's broken
in any situations you should not forget the context
yes context is important, that is true.. that becuase said... this isnt some "joke build" this isn't urf. and this isn't bronze 5, this is a proper build vs high and its in higher elo. which most people hold in higher importance than i do.
AirKingNeo7 votesYou literally just said context was important, then threw context out the window by ignoring Kayn's level and items.
AirKingNeo6 votesI remember the guy who did AP pantheon fountain dive oneshots. Shit was hilarious.
E GIRL SNIPER2 votesagain i dont think that matters at this point, none of that matters, yeah if were are talking about chucking somone for 75% hp sure... but this is a legit one shot.. on multiple champsions... then one champion with an single auto. there is no situtation where that should be ok REGARDLESS of how "fed he was"
This is the best thing for the game lol. Unless you want to admit all that matters in ranked is your team champs need to be able to 1v5 carry.
AirKingNeo3 votesYou mean his W, not his E?
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesI play Kayn, how I mix that up >.>
Death by Glamour2 votesreally a one shot is fine???
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesContext is important. If the Kayn was fed, then it makes sense for that damage. Assassins snowball.
TehNACHO10 votesLevel 16 Kayn vs Level 12 Caitlyn
And I'm supposed to be shocked why?
PhearBunny7 votesKayn isn't even one of the top performing junglers lol.
Its not abnormal 1shot a target with Dark Harvest+Duskblade+Autoattack if youre way ahead.
SwiftKitten887 votesKayn isn't even one of the top performing junglers lol.
Its not abnormal 1shot a target with Dark Harvest+Duskblade+Autoattack if youre way ahead.
i remember the days when it was "OP" to 100/0 someone if you threw every ability at them, and now its "fine" that one ability/auto can ACTUALLY ONE SHOT 100/0 them.
this is WELL beyond the point of "damage creep" this is absurd...
ShadowParker5 votesIt's more the context behind it is important.
We don't know how Fed Kayn is.
SwiftKitten882 votesIt's more the context behind it is important.
We don't know how Fed Kayn is.
it doesn't MATTER how "fed" he is. even at 6 full items this isnt "ok".. that's the point
Penns5 votesthis being balanced is why you should revert fizz imo :]
Akali is SO HOT5 votesIn the first clip he was almost 3 levels ahead of the squishy support (who was at about 60% health) and the squishy ADC and those were the only 2 he killed. The second clip he was a whole 4 levels ahead of the ADC. It's crazy the number of people who think that building full glass cannon means you should be immune to damage. If you're 4 levels up on someone while having thousands of gold on them, then you could be playing AP Braum and still one shot them.
SwiftKitten881 votes[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bgh0A2hV,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-12-31T19:54:14.859+0000)
In the first clip he was almost 3 levels ahead of the squishy support (who was at about 60% health) and the squishy ADC and those were the only 2 he killed. The second clip he was a whole 4 levels ahead of the ADC. It's crazy the number of people who think that building full glass cannon means you should be immune to damage. If you're 4 levels up on someone while having thousands of gold on them, then you could be playing AP Braum and still one shot them.
should he have done 60%-80 of thier hp? sure... should he 1 shot them... NO
i am complaining about LITERAL "one shot" on a normal build of a champion off one ability and a second clip off one auto.
you know how many fucking time i heard people complain how "oh nid hit me from fog of war with a max range skillshot and took away 70% of my hp.. so broken"
70% ONE CHAMPSION, MAX RANGE DODGABLE SKILLSHOT
people complain
"misses all her abilities and pressed R" and u you still fucking fought her after she put down 3 orbs. as as squishy champ.. and she kill you with her ultimate.
and yet i say "walking up and and killing somone autoing somone is op" and i say "diving in 1v4 using a single basic to get a doble kill while also 80-90% 2 other people with the same ability.. and i say THAT is "OP"
sudden all of your are like "ooohh but context"
where was the fucking context before?
Akali is SO HOT4 votesOld Nid had a long range ability that she could spam with a completely broken hitbox. It didn't matter how many she missed because all she had to do was hit one and all of your health would be gone. Syndra is aids because her ult is targeted and cannot be dodged so there is minimal counterplay to her kit.
Kayn is a squishy melee assassin when he goes Shadow Assassin form and can be blown up quite easily. If you are 4 levels up on a squishy ADC you can one shot them as almost any character in the game. This is not unique to Kayn.
SwiftKitten881 votes[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Bgh0A2hV,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2017-12-31T20:52:02.238+0000)
Old Nid had a long range ability that she could spam with a completely broken hitbox. It didn't matter how many she missed because all she had to do was hit one and all of your health would be gone. Syndra is aids because her ult is targeted and cannot be dodged so there is minimal counterplay to her kit.
Kayn is a squishy melee assassin when he goes Shadow Assassin form and can be blown up quite easily. If you are 4 levels up on a squishy ADC you can one shot them as almost any character in the game. This is not unique to Kayn.
... you know tis "broken hitbox" must have been before i started playing in 3.6 becuase i never countered it... or at least ii cant remember ever have.
i will say it didn't always match the visual very well, but the damage and the distance and the width DID perfectly match the skill indicator from what i remember. and granted its been 4 years since i play pre-rework nidalee. and also granted code back that had a lot more strange things happening but its not completly out of the question.. but i dont ever remember this happening, so if it did.. it was likely in season 1 and 2 and not 3 and 4.
Gibberwatt1 votesTo explain it in simpler terms, Nidalee could chuck a doom spear from off your screen (giving her insane safety for most of the time), that would do 50-100% of your health. Now its more about 30%, but its still spooky. Kayn, on the other hand, has to come and physically ram his hand up ur ass, which, while certainly more effective, also puts him in the position to get his ass rammed. Due to this trade off, he is very squishy, but also very damagey. You'll notice that in both those senarios, kayn eliminated the enemy in under a second. If there had been some form of hard cc involved, he would have stopped and died immediatly.
Also, that second clip barely counts. the adc was off by herself - I've seen rengars, talons, zeds, yis, and many other assassins do the same amount of damage in the same amount of time to a lonely adc. Hell, I've seen a few supports kill a lonely adc if the adc is dumb enough.
SwiftKitten881 votesAlso, that second clip barely counts. the adc was off by herself - I've seen rengars, talons, zeds, yis, and many other assassins do the same amount of damage in the same amount of time to a lonely adc. Hell, I've seen a few supports kill a lonely adc if the adc is dumb enough.
and does that make it ok? im not arguing the adc shouldn't have DIED, of COURSE she should have DIED, that's bloody fucking obvious.
but she she NOT have died in ONE freaking auto, and this isnt even an "adc crit auto" (which btw still isn't ok) this is a normal basic fucking auto
Gibberwatt1 votesIts hardly basic. First off its got his basic AD (probably upwards of 400-500), then there's the damage/slow from 
, as well as the 30ish% bonus magic damage. plus, I'm guessing this boi was going straight lethality (the adc obviously doesn't build defensively), which would probably give him 140% damage against this adc. Also, it looks like he was rolling with either predator or dark harvest, so there's that too. So, using rough numbers,
450 AD
200 duskblade
100 keystone
total 650 base damage *1.4 for lethality -> 910 physical damage get the 30% bonus magic damage, say cut in half for mr, goes to a bonus 136 magic damage, totalling for almost 1050 damage, which is most of, if not all of, cait's health. And that is just for random numbers pulled out of my ass. So it is 100% possible for the kayn to one auto an adc.
Fourth Shot1 votesdark harvest at that minute prob=300 dmg
chipndip13 votesHow fed someone is ALWAYS adds context to what happens. Guys like you whining that someone should NEVER get assassinated/one shot when another player works to deserve that shot is what caused the assassin update, if we're being honest.
SwiftKitten882 votesHow fed someone is ALWAYS adds context to what happens. Guys like you whining that someone should NEVER get assassinated/one shot when another player works to deserve that shot is what caused the assassin update, if we're being honest.
really? did kayn "work" to deserve that kill on mf...
was that a high elo outplay? was that some fancy flash 
orb re-direct.
or did he just run at them and press 1 button.
this isnt an "ulti", this isnt a max range pre-rework nidalee spear.
this is someone literally walking straight up at you and autoing you once.
and that's "OK"?? with you
i dont CARE how fed he is.. there shouldnt BE any amount of gold that LETS a champsion do this.. THATS THE POINT!!! not that "kayn is op" that this whole thing should be IMPOSSIBLE to do. and like i said this isnt some off meta build that a high elo player uses in silver games because it works vs people who cant play. and this isn't same 3 hour game with a infinite stacking veigar ulti this is the PROPER build in a high elo game. and i dont care HOW FED you are. that damage should NOT be in this game.. PERIOD
hell people were crying out of their ass when syndra could 1 shot you with a 7 sphere ulti, just a few months ago. and that required preperation of at least 10 seconds and to be executed within a 2 second window that she had 7 sphere up.
and now THIS is ok to you?
NO ITS NOT!!!
HalcyonDweller2 votesThe OP did address the matter of gold and level advantage. Which are the only real way for champions to get stronger.
They're right too, Kayne gets very high damage without having to put too much into it.
ZephyrDrake2 votes"I built pure damage and no resistances whatsoever I should not die to someone who is not only building pure damage but is ahead of me REEEEEEEEEEEE!"
SwiftKitten881 votes"I built pure damage and no resistances whatsoever I should not die to someone who is not only building pure damage but is ahead of me REEEEEEEEEEEE!"
of course she should have DIED, that's not the issue here... this issue is she shouldn't have died in ONE AUTO.
that kayn shouldn't have going in 1v4 and killed 2 and 90% hp another two with ONE ability..
ZephyrDrake2 votesof course she should have DIED, that's not the issue here... this issue is she shouldn't have died in ONE AUTO.
that kayn shouldn't have going in 1v4 and killed 2 and 90% hp another two with ONE ability..
i will say the exact same thing. They were behind, they were building no defenses whatsoever. The Kayn was massively ahead and building things that will also shred what little actual defenses they have (which is their natural armor) while also building pure damage. You forget that there is more than just a single auto's worth of damage. There is also an entire items passive plus whatever runes it might had. All 3 lethality items on a squishy and you think that the squishy is going to survive specially when the killer actually has the bonus passive damage from one of the items? please. They got what they deserved. They died to someone who was insanely ahead of them that was building nothing but damage while they were building no defenses whatsoever.
SwiftKitten881 votesi will say the exact same thing. They were behind, they were building no defenses whatsoever. The Kayn was massively ahead and building things that will also shred what little actual defenses they have (which is their natural armor) while also building pure damage. You forget that there is more than just a single auto's worth of damage. There is also an entire items passive plus whatever runes it might had. All 3 lethality items on a squishy and you think that the squishy is going to survive specially when the killer actually has the bonus passive damage from one of the items? please. They got what they deserved. They died to someone who was insanely ahead of them that was building nothing but damage while they were building no defenses whatsoever.
there is a big difference from "winning a fight" and that damage. of course he should have won, he fed fed... there should have been no way she would survive a 1v1 vs him or escape. thats NOT the issue here.
EVERY champsion has ABSURD damage now. regular ranked games are practically urf now in terms of damage.
i am showing 
because he is the one that makes it the most obvious. in terms of how bad damage creep is.
no one and NOTHING should "ONE SHOT" someone in this game, LET ALONE with just an auto.
this isn't a "kayn needs a nerf" this is" damage needs to be lowered across the board on EVERYTHING
they could litterally cut the damage in HALF.. and i STILL think it would be more than what we saw on season 3. it has literally more than doubled..
ZephyrDrake1 votesthere is a big difference from "winning a fight" and that damage. of course he should have won, he fed fed... there should have been no way she would survive a 1v1 vs him or escape. thats NOT the issue here.
EVERY champsion has ABSURD damage now. regular ranked games are practically urf now in terms of damage.
i am showing
this isn't a "kayn needs a nerf" this is" damage needs to be lowered across the board on EVERYTHING
they could litterally cut the damage in HALF.. and i STILL think it would be more than what we saw on season 3. it has literally more than doubled..
so what you are saying is "assassins should be removed from the game" and "tanks should always survive all damagve and be immortal" and "screw being ahead, i am 17 lvls behind but i should still survive someone's burst because nothing should one shot someone even though they are specifically building to do said thing and i am not doing anything at all to prevent it"
SwiftKitten881 votesso what you are saying is "assassins should be removed from the game" and "tanks should always survive all damagve and be immortal" and "screw being ahead, i am 17 lvls behind but i should still survive someone's burst because nothing should one shot someone even though they are specifically building to do said thing and i am not doing anything at all to prevent it"
do u REALLY not remember what the game used to be like in season 3? assasins excisted back then too
assassin donest kill the enemy in one abiltiy.. it doesn't even mean kill the enemy in one combo.
it means you go in and assassinate the low targets, the people caught out of position.
maybe u dont rember but there used to be this thing in the game called "trading" where you would back off after doing damage and then fight again.
it didnt used to just be "oh i one shot you".
damage has quite literally more than doubled since season 3. at least in AD part.
adc used to be the ones to kill the tanks.. not 2 shot anyone on thier team that isnt a tank.
there was such as thing as "dps" and not "burst per second".
if you literally think if you cant 100/0 a target as an assasin you are "useless" then your <edited by mod>. thats now what this game is about... it sure as hell seems to be where the game is heading" but that's the fucking point of this thread"
which u seem to be completely missing.
in season 3-4 it didnt MATTER how fed u were.. there was no champ in the game that could do this on any amount of items to ANY other champ.
when i say "it dinest matter how fed they were" i mean IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER IF YOU HAVE 500K GOLD YOU SHOULDN'T DEAL THIS MUCH DAMAGE.
part of the problem is infernal; but the vast majority of the issues is new AD items such as and the new mysteries. oh im sorry did i say masteries? i mean "Runes", because its totally a "rune system and not a mastery system.. /sarcasm...
ModKnightsKemplar1 votesHey SwiftKitten88,
I edited out the bit where you used an insult here. Disagreeing strongly is fine; insulting other people is not. Keep it civil please!
--KempyreanPirate Advisor
SuperCosmicHobo1 votesYou can say, "Kayn isn't the top performing Jungler" but "Yasuo is not the best pick anymore." Should not be able to one shot somebody but tbh, either that Caitlyn was a 12 and he was 16 or Cait was 17 and he was 16 (Was blurry on hd).
ªTeemo1 votesTbh lethality kayn is kinda retarded wether he 1 shots you in 1 auto or not. They wanted to add delay to assassin burst but then they made shadow assassin kayn that can use w and q at the same time. If you didn't die from the 2 spells he can just auto and proc electrocute and duskblade and you are dead for sure.
PhantomPrankster1 voteshttps://youtu.be/F0hdYptU9Yo?t=144
i dont think it even matters what his gold or items are... this should not be possible, even at full build vs somone with only 3 items. this kind of damage is not ok.
i dont pretend to know what kayn was building, but i do know that i can't imagine any scenario where that should be possible.
that kayn is most likely fed and was also level 16 while caitlyn was 12 stop being a bitch LOL
