Meddler please answer to this, Dodge as a stats might be overbearing because it's permanent, but what about dodge in spells like jax's counter strike or shen's W? needing a window of time to use its power.
RiotMeddler7 votesI expect we'll do other dodge abilities with limited uptime at some point in the future. It'll be a tool we offer sparingly though, not a common thing on kits.
ShaftyMegee2 votesI expect we'll do other dodge abilities with limited uptime at some point in the future. It'll be a tool we offer sparingly though, not a common thing on kits.
Thank you
AMYS GRAVE1 votesand no dodge chance (just 100%) i assume?
RiotMeddler3 votesI'd expect so.
Edit for clarity: I'd expect any future uses of dodge to be effects that granted 100% dodge.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesYou would expect dodge chance, or my assumption?
Lucifer1 votesWhy? Is dodge something that's actually been seen as something fun to play against? I was under the assumption that the reason we haven't seen much of it was because it isn't very healthy for the game. A lot of people find that to be one of the most annoying aspects of Jax / Fiora, both of which being overwhelmingly banned at the moment.
ACENOX3 votesWhy? Is dodge something that's actually been seen as something fun to play against? I was under the assumption that the reason we haven't seen much of it was because it isn't very healthy for the game. A lot of people find that to be one of the most annoying aspects of Jax / Fiora, both of which being overwhelmingly banned at the moment.
who is annoyed by jax?
Lucifer5 votesAnyone who has ever played against a half-decent one.
D357R0Y3R2 votesAnyone who has ever played against a half-decent one.
never was annoyed by jax, except when he was op like every op champ
Lucifer2 votesYou mean like when he averages around a 60% win rate in plat+ when you have a decent number of games on him? http://champion.gg/champion/Jax
He's also banned 65% of the time at high elo, so there's that.
KONO RUBICK DA2 votesYou mean like when he averages around a 60% win rate in plat+ when you have a decent number of games on him? http://champion.gg/champion/Jax
He's also banned 65% of the time at high elo, so there's that.
that has nothing to do with dodge
Lucifer3 votesWe were discussing frustrations with Jax, and they made the comment "Who is annoyed by Jax" and clearly a large number of people are.
KONO RUBICK DA2 votesWe were discussing frustrations with Jax, and they made the comment "Who is annoyed by Jax" and clearly a large number of people are.
on what? 30 millions player in the world? when jax press E you aren't forced to fight him
Lucifer2 votesdodge isn't the only thing that currently makes him overwhelming. A good Jax will know how to make the game hell for you, which is why there's a huge discrepancy between low elo for him and high elo. You do eventually have to fight him. If you leave a Jax to free farm, good luck.
Got New Glasses2 votes** dodge isn't the only thing that currently makes him overwhelming**. A good Jax will know how to make the game hell for you, which is why there's a huge discrepancy between low elo for him and high elo. You do eventually have to fight him. If you leave a Jax to free farm, good luck.
end of the discussion then, dodge has nothing to do with jax being op
Lucifer2 votesExcept it does, and they've had to change how his dodge works multiple times because of how strong it is within his kit. It's just not the only thing that makes him strong at the moment, and the pre-season patch allowed Jax to become very overbearing in the right hands.
In fact, Riot has spent a lot of time removing dodge effects from the game: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Dodge
Which is partially why I think it's kind of counter intuitive we're seeing so many new iterations of it which are just as frustrating.
charcharmunro1 votesIt USED to be back when dodge was a stat. It basically meant Jax could 1v5 in the enemy fountain.
Ahristocats1 votesIt USED to be back when dodge was a stat. It basically meant Jax could 1v5 in the enemy fountain.
don't talk about what you don't know, jax used to have 100% dodge permanently because dodge used to stack, riot easily fixed it by make it unique, then they gave true strike to the fontain.
the problem with jax in 2011 is that true strike was WEAK as fuck, sword of the divine was purchased on nobody. the other problem was RNG, until jax had his E at lvl 5 his dodge chance was low making his E relying on RNG, they should have fixed it by giving him passivly 100% dodge for 1 attack with a cooldown
Captain Aishi1 votesriot buffed jax's E in the preseason, which is what made jax become overbearing once again
Ahristocats6 votesI'd expect so.
Edit for clarity: I'd expect any future uses of dodge to be effects that granted 100% dodge.
but what if instead of 25% dodge you code it as "dodge every 4 attacks"? it remove the RNG, there is already a problem with jax's counterstrike because since it's 100% dodge nobody will fight you and you force the players to use it as a stun. Why don't you change counterstrike to a passive tht dodge every X seconds an autoattack?
LoZfan031 votesIf more dodging abilities are potentially forthcoming, I feel extra motivated to clarify at this point in time - another Rioter here says only large monster attacks are dodged for consistency with Pantheon's block. But since it's a duration-based ability, wouldn't it make more sense to be consistent with Jax's counterstrike instead and negate all incoming basic attacks?
Champion Skin1 votesWow that's really weird and silly having it not block small monsters... and yeah it is clearly closer to Jax E not Pantheon passive
Jax E and Shen W both block all attacks for a limited time Pantheon blocks 1 attack (every time he builds up his passive)
Nagoh Shan1 votesI asked in the shen thread, but they were unable to answer. Maybe you could.
There isn't much clarity or consistency in what is dodged, blocked, or blinded.
I made a thread here describing the inconsistencies:
How exactly are these supposed to interact, can you bring more consistency to the effects (like braum and yas vs projectiles), and can you tell us which abilities shen's dodge will be able to negate?
That ability could shut down certain champs like Fiora hard, but if it's like Jax's dodge, Yas will ignore it which may cause confusion.
Dediguise4 votesTo be fair the original mechanic was % chance to dodge vs the current mechanic which is essentially temporary invincibility to basic attacks. The current mechanic is not random and therefore still fits their goals of balance and transparency.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesTo be fair the original mechanic was % chance to dodge vs the current mechanic which is essentially temporary invincibility to basic attacks. The current mechanic is not random and therefore still fits their goals of balance and transparency.
they should do the same with tryndacrit, 100% crit in a moment so the mechanic isn't random
Hello I am Bird1 votesMake it so he has enough crit left so that 
isn't a waste of crit.
After all, we wouldn't wanna waste stats building on 
;)
ACENOX1 votesMake it so he has enough crit left so that
After all, we wouldn't wanna waste stats building
tryndamere doesn't use mana and doesn't need cdr
Hello I am Bird1 votesThat's the point ;-;
