xin zhao buffs on pbe

Eyesack·Jun 8, 2016·18 votes·2,780 views

Xin Zhao Base health increased to 600 from 591.16 Health growth increased to 95 from 87

I remember asking for this buff YEARS ago. I've always thought it weird that xin had such shitty base health for a pure melee champion.

This change won't make him a competitive pick, but as its a strict buff to his tankiness it will probably help the zhao man. I mean, he's still gonna have the ~42% winrate top in plat+, but maybe his jungle will hit 50%? Who knows.

EDIT: They already nerfed it on pbe from 95 to 92, feelsbadman.

49 Comments

Surr20plzJun 8, 201622 votes

They need to revert the nerf to his previous buff which was only too strong because of sated rageblade.

xxxDogmanxxxJun 8, 20162 votes

This. A THOUSAND TIMES, THIS.

D3m37r1Jun 8, 20161 votes

This is the dream of anyone that plays xin

HeartPalpitationJun 8, 20161 votes

Same with master yi, he's been feeling the pain since the sated nerf.

SasogwaJun 8, 20168 votes

Base health buffs are underrated, I think it's pretty good. They should do that on Aatrox too tbh.

48983507DEL1Jun 8, 20169 votes

Aatrox has THE lowest base health of any melee champion as a FIGHTER/TANK.

This is all because of his shitty revive passive. It's the root of so many problems in his kit and needs to be completely removed and replaced.

INoble KnightIJun 8, 20166 votes

He's meant to be a lifesteal tank as well. So he mostly build lifesteal/health

Troll for TrumpJun 8, 20166 votes

With the current way things go, you don't have enough time (and usually gold) to go both ways. If you do go both ways, you end up doing a poor job of both. Some glass cannons can specialize in lifesteal, or go full tank, but being forced to do both makes you pretty useless (Tank vs full AD duelist Fiora).

Lifesteal doesn't matter without HP, which Riot has lowered.

HP doesn't matter without damage, which is also lowered.

SpoofghoulJun 8, 20161 votes

but you can start building tanky whilst grabbing warlords

INoble KnightIJun 8, 20161 votes

Also with item 3812 and item 3153 and item 3072 He gets a lot of damage with a lot of LS

48983507DEL1Jun 8, 20161 votes

Except that his kit punishes him for building HP since his abilities cost %Current Health.

INoble KnightIJun 8, 20161 votes

True but with % health costs he'll lose the same amount of health but have more of a buffer in fights to survive burst

Red WreckageJun 8, 20161 votes

Aatrox HP: 538 – 1983 Yasuo HP: 518 – 1912

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lowest?

48983507DEL1Jun 8, 20161 votes

I read the numbers wrong. Aatrox has a lower base health, but his HP per lvl is slightly higher than Yasuo's, so it comes out to that.

Also this isn't including hybrid champions like Nidalee and Elise.

TotalJerkJun 9, 20161 votes

Are you noticing a trend? Champions with lots of sustain tend to have shitty base health.

YordlelayhehooJun 8, 20164 votes

still garbage

zSkeletoRzJun 8, 20162 votes

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still garbage

Still the only champ who can tank a tower while destroying it and still have full hp afterwards.

One of very few champs who can solo baron, still have full hp afterwards.

Hardly garbage.

xxxDogmanxxxJun 8, 20161 votes

I have 280k mastery points on Xin in my ranked account, and I actually do think he's kinda garbage. He needed this buff.

zSkeletoRzJun 8, 20162 votes

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I have 280k mastery points on Xin in my ranked account, and I actually do think he's kinda garbage. He needed this buff.

I agree he needed the buff, his base stats are gross.

He is not a garbage champion though. You've just proven that yourself by admitting you have 280k mastery points in him. The way you worded it makes you sound like a nub though.

However, considering I can 1v5 some teams as AP Xin, he is hardly a garbage champion.

ArakadiaJun 8, 20161 votes

What abilities scale for AP Xin?

zSkeletoRzJun 8, 20161 votes

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What abilities scale for AP Xin?

His W and his E both scale with AP. The idea is to heal so fast they can't kill you. It is a super sustain build, you can heal so fast by auto attacking that towers can't kill you as long as you keep hitting them. He is weak though, if for any reason you stop auto attacking, you will die super easy. He has to be played right but if done well, he can carry super easy.

I take tele/smite so I can solo rush a tower in an empty lane, then hide and tele to another lane as the enemy team rushes to stop the first lane from being pushed. Take another tower in another lane, then solo baron or maybe reverse order, depending on what the enemy team is up to. Map awareness is helpful.

Back before he was nerfed I could auto attack the enemy tank so fast my life would drop to 100 or below, while their damage dealers tried to kill me, then spike back to full, over and over and over.

xxxDogmanxxxJun 9, 20161 votes

Sorry if I offended you about the way I worded it. It was not my intention. It's just that I feel Xin really isn't that viable in Diamond. I used him to climb out of Bronze, Silver, and low Gold, but by high Gold and all of Platinum, I felt that other champions just plain outclassed him. So yeah, I stand by what I said, even if you don't agree. No need to call me a nub.

Also, you are aware that they nerfed his AP ratio, right? From .7 down to .4 on his heal. ASAP Xin Zhao just doesn't heal as much as before. It's not optimal to build him AP anymore, not to mention the lower damage you get from an ASAP build.

zSkeletoRzJun 9, 20161 votes

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Sorry if I offended you about the way I worded it. It was not my intention. It's just that I feel Xin really isn't that viable in Diamond. I used him to climb out of Bronze, Silver, and low Gold, but by high Gold and all of Platinum, I felt that other champions just plain outclassed him. So yeah, I stand by what I said, even if you don't agree. No need to call me a nub.

Also, you are aware that they nerfed his AP ratio, right? From .7 down to .4 on his heal. ASAP Xin Zhao just doesn't heal as much as before. It's not optimal to build him AP anymore, not to mention the lower damage you get from an ASAP build.

The build is meant for sustain, less for damage. It is useful for carrying low elo games, I wouldn't argue he is easily destroyed by the right champs in higher elo.

I am also aware they nerfed his AP ratio. I'm also aware he is still the only champ to be able to push towers solo, no minions required. Baron as well, no team required, makes it easier to take if none of the enemies notice you missing while your team split pushes.

To say he is garbage is a huge over statement. He does need another item compared to his old build but that never seems to be a problem for me. I'm able to gank early enough that I can snowball pretty early. His main damage source is also his E. My biggest problem is the lack of AoE damage since the loss of Devourer/Rageblade.

I'm not at all offended by the way, I was taking your post a little more on the offensive side but you're making good conversation. It's all good.

LatetotheRaceJun 8, 20163 votes

Mordekaiser B@$% please 525 Base health. 53 Health growth. PLUS, he has no gap closer. Gf rito

MLDzXnRRRJun 8, 20162 votes

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B@$% please 525 Base health. 53 Health growth. PLUS, he has no gap closer. Gf rito

THey don't know what to do with Morde...

LatetotheRaceJun 8, 20162 votes

"#Makemordegreatagain", at least make him a tank lol.

ArakadiaJun 8, 20161 votes

I think he has low hp stats because of his sheild.

LatetotheRaceJun 8, 20161 votes

They destroyed his stats because they stuck him bottom lane. They also removed the spellvamp from item 3145 so he's objectively trash right now.

PikmintsJun 8, 20163 votes

But are we still waiting for the QOL buff where he gets a buff that records how many times he's attacked for his W passive? I'm certain that Riot has the technology to accomplish this, and it would provide an additional layer of depth to Xin's gameplay as in you can manage how far away your heal is before you engage on enemies.

Red WreckageJun 8, 20162 votes

591 base HP on a pure melee champ is shitty? huh...

meanwhile Yasuo base HP: 518 scaling MR: N/A built in sustain: N/A

huh

EyesackJun 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Red Wreckage,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BQAxjXFy,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2016-06-08T18:19:33.877+0000)

591 base HP on a pure melee champ is shitty? huh...

meanwhile Yasuo base HP: 518 scaling MR: N/A built in sustain: N/A

huh

yasuo is not a pure melee champion. He actually can hit people from range via his q.

trash sionJun 8, 20163 votes

Infinite dashes, double crit chance, not pure melee because tornados, free damage mitigation with windwall, skillshots with a decent range, hmmm.....

Red WreckageJun 8, 20161 votes

we're talking about base stats here.

he doesn't get free crit, he has to buy it. Xin crits every 3rd hit wihout buying shit.
also lets not forget every actual melee "fighter" destroys Yasuo.

MissMikasaJun 8, 20163 votes

Yas gets double crit strike chance in his passive, you bumbo.

trash sionJun 8, 20162 votes

Reduced crits...

What Yasuo lacks in durability, he makes up for in mobility and damage.

Pika FoxJun 8, 20162 votes

Passive shield is built in sustain.

Dominick DestineJun 9, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Red Wreckage,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BQAxjXFy,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2016-06-08T18:19:33.877+0000)

Yasuo built in sustain: N/A

u wot m8?

TotalJerkJun 9, 20161 votes

Disregarding all that bullshit from the other post, the reason Yasuo has shitty base health is because Yasuo's whole playstyle revolves around not getting hit in the first place. W blocks spells, passive absorbs damage, E makes you a massive pain in the ass to target, etc.

ManBearPig916Jun 8, 20161 votes

Yay! Anything helps. I'm decent with him, but a little bump to my hp is greatly appreciated.

MLDzXnRRRJun 8, 20161 votes

Xin has low hp, because he was meant to be a carry fighter like Yi and Yasuo, but he can't function - gets kited/CCed. Also his kit is too easy and if he is strong as carry, he is annoying to play against (release Xin!!!).

MunchCrunchLunchJun 8, 20161 votes

Jax needed this kind of buff

BloodyTomponJun 8, 20161 votes

Changes to base stats are way more powerful than they appear.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 8, 20161 votes

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Changes to base stats are way more powerful than they appear.

indeed.

MLDzXnRRRJun 8, 20161 votes

So, he got 154 more hp lvl 18 (ADCs lategame do around at least 1000 dps after armor reductions)...

MLDzXnRRRJun 8, 20161 votes

Aatrox would like 150 more hp lvl 18...

Rinky DinkyJun 8, 20161 votes

this change will make him so much better at what he does.

He has to snowball harder than shaco to be useful right now

Lord GalvatronJun 8, 20161 votes

Anyone try the new Trinity on Xin Zhao yet?

xxxDogmanxxxJun 9, 20161 votes

It's still really expensive for a jungler. Nice to have when you're ahead, feels really bad against tanks or when you're behind. Basically, it feels the same.