20 Minute Games are Not Fun

BrightWîngs·Jun 19, 2018·64 votes·15,046 views

Game simply goes too fast I miss my long 50 minute games it still happens but its so rare and the only time the game actually fun to play games most games feel like a coin flip you either get shit on or you shit on them nothing ever feels close.

Edit: I dont want every game to be 50 minutes I should have made that more obvious I just want the average 30 to 45 minute games back

20 minute games back then felt more like an accomplishment but now its just you snow ball you win.

51 Comments

Daddy AntsJun 19, 201823 votes

I want the game length back that used to be advertised on the client

"Average Game Length: 30-45 minutes"

SweedishGunnerJun 19, 201817 votes

Yeah I remember when it said that each game was a long commitment and you should make sure you have the time free to play each one out fully.

heroikcJun 19, 201821 votes

I'd rather have good old 35-40 minute game. Easier time recovering.

BrightWîngsJun 19, 20183 votes

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I'd rather have good old 35-40 minute game. Easier time recovering.

Oh yeah I don't want all games to be 50 minutes I meant I like having the a little more often getting a 50 minute game now almost never happens

AzadetheJun 20, 20181 votes

We have NEVER averaged a 35-40 minute game. Even in Season 3 Riot was balancing games around 25 minutes. it was even in the loader as a tooltip of estimated game times.

Shukr4nJun 19, 20183 votes

Well 50minutes games are exactly a coinflip at the end

BrightWîngsJun 19, 20182 votes

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Well 50minutes games are exactly a coinflip at the end

True but it feels like there is more you could do if you get shit on early that's pretty much it that's the game a come back is always possible but less so than before

MYSTlCFLOWJun 19, 20181 votes

not if you take gathering storm, I don't recall ever seeing a 50 minute game in the current season.....

BrightWîngsJun 19, 20182 votes

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not if you take gathering storm, I don't recall ever seeing a 50 minute game in the current season.....

well I had one or two and thats the reason I made this because I had a lot more fun in these games simply because they lasted longer

TheUnrepentantJun 19, 20182 votes

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Well 50minutes games are exactly a coinflip at the end

Every time I've ever lost a 50min game, someone (sometimes me) made a mistake. From face checking a bush, engaging when I shouldn't, or making the wrong call about split vs group there's a reason that game was lost. Sometimes just losing a fight sure, but there's a reason you lost that fight. Maybe someone failed to execute on your comp, focused the wrong person, or dove the backline too early. It feels bad if it wasn't your mistake (which feels bad in a different way) but you lost for a reason.

Sure you technically lose every game for a reason, including early ones. But the early loss games feel like you had less agency, less of a chance to make smart choices, and more like you got screwed in champ select. So, much more like someone somewhere flipped a coin.

My opinion.

Troll for TrumpJun 19, 20183 votes

The last time I had a really long game (like ye olde days), I remembered how crappy it felt to lose a game you invested ~40 mins into

AmocJun 19, 20189 votes

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The last time I had a really long game (like ye olde days), I remembered how crappy it felt to lose a game you invested ~40 mins into

Since the whole point of the game is to enjoy it, why do you feel crappy losing a 40 minute game? Presumably, this was an even match with equally skilled teams pushing back and forth.

How is that worse than losing a 20-25 minute curbstomp where your top-lane fed 1-9 but refused to surrender?

At least with the former, the game was actually fun to play.

BrightWîngsJun 19, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ðownright Darius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BMlWKUYJ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-06-19T15:59:36.064+0000)

The last time I had a really long game (like ye olde days), I remembered how crappy it felt to lose a game you invested ~40 mins into

yeah that does suck but it also sucks to spend 20 minutes getting shit on and theres nothing you can really do about it. With late game that is where I feel skillful actions are the most prevalent because thats when they REALLY matter playing team fights well has a very rewarding feeling. Even team fights hardly happen none of them sometimes ever feel close at all

Giga BaboonJun 19, 20183 votes

But our data says our farts smell good - meddler

DNFVixenJun 20, 20183 votes

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Game simply goes too fast I miss my long 50 minute games it still happens but its so rare and the only time the game actually fun to play games most games feel like a coin flip you either get shit on or you shit on them nothing ever feels close.

Edit: I dont want every game to be 50 minutes I should have made that more obvious I just want the average 30 to 45 minute games back

20 minute games back then felt more like an accomplishment but now its just you snow ball you win.

I agree so much it hurts!!

mack9112Jun 19, 20182 votes

Fair games last around 30 mins for me

Ionian VulpixJun 19, 20182 votes

Some are. Just not League.

MalakJun 19, 20182 votes

lmao no...

I don't want every game lasting over 30 min

CaveslothJun 19, 20182 votes

It sounds more like your problem is the snowball, not the length of the game. Shorter game could be fun, IF you still had a chance of winning once the game was behind.

BrightWîngsJun 19, 20186 votes

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It sounds more like your problem is the snowball, not the length of the game. Shorter game could be fun, IF you still had a chance of winning once the game was behind.

well the reason the game is so short is because of snow ball

CaveslothJun 20, 20182 votes

It contributes, but its mainly that damage is so high and death timers so long that multiple objectives fall from sometimes a single kill, let alone an ace.

My point was, the reason games aren't fun now isn't because they are short, its because of the snowball. Early in the season before people had the snowball figured out, and everyone was playing optimal builds, I played an actual close game where we came back from behind, pushed all the way to an open nexus. It felt just as exhilarating as a 40-50 min comeback, but when I looked at the clock at the end, it was only 25 minutes. To me this proves the game could be fun even in its shorter version, IF and ONLY IF the snowball was completely removed.

Hide on clitJun 20, 20181 votes

amen [galio-happy]

EyesOfTheFoxJun 20, 20181 votes

They are actually looking to lower death timers early game (pre 5 minutes). Currently being tested internally. So if you "accidentally" die early your tower isn't gone by the time you get back to lane.

CaveslothJun 20, 20182 votes

A step in the right direction, but again, they must remove EVERYTHING that contributes to the snowball problem. Since 90 percent of that is in the runes reforged, it'd take a major change to those to fix it, or removing runes altogether. I'd seriously doubt they'd take such a drastic measure. The fact that it's taken them 6 months and losing nearly half their players to realize the snowball is such a problem doesn't leave me with much confidence in their abilities.

EyesOfTheFoxJun 20, 20181 votes

It's still interesting to me that this:

"New spawning minions level up based on their's team average level" So if you are ahead your minions will be too~ I wonder how many people realize that~

Holy ActivistJun 19, 20182 votes

I wholeheartedly agree with you I'd rather spend 30 to 40 minutes of a game playing it out and strategizing then the most common scenario: Support - 0/5 Adc - 0/10 Or Top - 1/10 Or Both... Enemy ADC/Top - 15/2 (Worst case scenario a Darius or a xayah) Wipes out your team (it's more easy if it's a Darius) and then the person/persons who fed refuses to surrender (honestly I don't know what goes through a mind of a feeder when he/she presses no on the surrender when he's the one who caused the problem like you're just going to go 1/20 and expect your team to do something about it????? It's literally a 4v5 at that point)

EchostormxxJun 20, 20182 votes

30-40 minutes is perfect. 20 minutes feels like I can't do shit.

shoe6535Jun 20, 20182 votes

i like games where i can effect the outcome, not games where whoever has the better late game comp wins

VelvetCrotchJun 20, 20182 votes

yeah, they should buff crit adc's again, but make the game longer (again) like buffing turrets for example... (!)

gabetheguyJun 19, 20181 votes

then leave.

BrightWîngsJun 19, 201813 votes

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then leave.

this response is just dumb the boards was made so people can give Riot their criticism and thats what im doing

gabetheguyJun 19, 20182 votes

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this response is just dumb the boards was made so people can give Riot their criticism and thats what im doing

you saying this implies that riot takes 99% of the boards seriously lmao

BrightWîngsJun 19, 20189 votes

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you saying this implies that riot takes 99% of the boards seriously lmao

nope I'm implying that its here to give criticism and for people to voice their opinions.

gabetheguyJun 19, 20182 votes

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nope I'm implying that its here to give criticism and for people to voice their opinions.

good thing this community has complete shit opinions and riot doesn't listen to the vast majority of them.

ninjaroxasJun 20, 20184 votes

Including you

gabetheguyJun 20, 20181 votes

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Including you

precisely. I'm just enjoying watching this community circlejerk and pretend like riot is taking them seriously.

Lucian WaifuJun 19, 20181 votes

A player who mains Nasus and doesn't want to hear about a post talking about 20 minute games being boring...

gabetheguyJun 19, 20181 votes

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A player who mains Nasus and doesn't want to hear about a post talking about 20 minute games being boring...

I haven't played nasus in months. what are you on about?

Lucian WaifuJun 20, 20181 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=gabetheguy

gabetheguyJun 20, 20181 votes

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http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=gabetheguy

I only play nasus in ranked. I don't play ranked anymore. can you please act just a bit smarter? pretty please?

Lucian WaifuJun 20, 20182 votes

You mean like the guy who thinks that not playing ranked and not being better than average in ranked means your opinion should carry any weight? Please be smarter, pretty please.

gabetheguyJun 20, 20181 votes

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You mean like the guy who thinks that not playing ranked and not being better than average in ranked means your opinion should carry any weight? Please be smarter, pretty please.

I never said my opinion carried any weight. riot only pretends to listen to the community to prevent a collective mental breakdown among this game's utterly rabid and irrational cesspool.

CyrosiJun 19, 20181 votes

I don't care how long the game is, I just don't want it to be a snow ball for either side. I'm a relatively new player and I can't learn anything from a snowball no matter which side of the snowball I'm on, because it becomes difficult to tell if I just could've played better or if there was nothing I could do.

TaikobouJun 19, 20181 votes

Matches should be 10-15 minutes, not everybody is in scholl and have all day to play.

zZ KanKuro ZzJun 21, 20181 votes

yes , because as we all know its rly fun to play a game thats lost since minute 5 while spending the other 10 minutes waiting for surrender /s

AzadetheJun 20, 20181 votes

Then stop surrendering. My games average 32 minutes.

BrightWîngsJun 20, 20185 votes

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Then stop surrendering. My games average 32 minutes.

not surrendering it goes both ways you know im not just losing games at 20 minutes im winning them too

LeetriJun 20, 20181 votes

The problem with the old, longer games was that come late game you'd lose the entire game due to a single bad teamfight. It doesn't matter how much ahead you are or how well you've played for those 40 minutes, all it takes is one mistake.

SîlentStormJun 20, 20181 votes

Cmon its fun when you are winning.. But staying hostage in 50 min game when you are losing/having bad team comp is not that fun. I prefer short games its easier to recover. Longer games drain my energy and im tierd as h*ll, then if i start a new game im not the same, im not watching minimap often, csing is terrible then im tilted. so... i pref short games :)

BrightWîngsJun 20, 20181 votes

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Cmon its fun when you are winning.. But staying hostage in 50 min game when you are losing/having bad team comp is not that fun. I prefer short games its easier to recover. Longer games drain my energy and im tierd as h*ll, then if i start a new game im not the same, im not watching minimap often, csing is terrible then im tilted. so... i pref short games :)

I really dont find it fun at all before when 20 minute games were rare they were because that ment you just played the early game so well you closed the game really early but now its a snowballing fiesta even when I win I dont have that much fun because it just feels so lame because i dont feel like I played well im not asking for EVERY game to be 50 min I want games to average 35 45 minutes