Riot is Making Me Hate Pro Play and Their Greed is Making Me Have Little Faith in The Devs

BrightWîngs··72 votes·16,271 views
  1. You buff champions that are fine or already really strong in normal play making the experience for the people who play against that champion and the people who play said champion because its going to be perma banned. Example: Darius Khazix

  2. Numerous times have I see this crap staged/rigged

  3. You buff champions so their skins will sell better Example Lucian https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/954437-league-of-legends/77017039

  4. The worst part you do all of this like we are fucking stupid and dont see what you're doing

37 Comments

CPU Lyrica13 votes

My trick; Have absolutely 0 Faith in the balance team, SOome faith in the design team, (Cuz lets face it, new champ designs are awesome, just not balanced, which isnt really their job) Aand complete faith in the Story/Art/Music teams. those guys work wonders.

HungryAngry2SPP1 votes

But it's their fault if SR does not exist. And we are not playing the game, using champions. Bring back summoners!

Paintchip8 votes

Then don’t buy skins and stop watching their little esport events. Hmm problem solved and you save money and have more time for other stuff. Sounds like win win!

Vhan876531 votes

I love people whose argument is, "Just stop doing the things that you like!" "Just don't do this, just don't do that; you're not allowed to have an opinion and speak out, just completely distance yourself from it like it never existed."

Man, sometimes I find eating food to be a pain, but I guess you may be right cause I do have an eating disorder after all.

Paintchip1 votes

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I love people whose argument is, "Just stop doing the things that you like!" "Just don't do this, just don't do that.; you're not allowed to have an opinion and speak out, just completely distance yourself from it like it never existed."

Man, sometimes I find eating food to be a pain, but I guess you may be right cause I do have an eating disorder after all.

Umm, then don’t complain bro. As long as you give riot miney, they won’t see what they do as wrong.

Vhan87657 votes

It comes down to a bit of both really; obviously if you've already spent money on something, Riot could care less about what you have to say on it. But at the same time too, just going about your business and completely ignoring it is what lets companies get away with over pricing things. If sales go down but the price has gone up so the money is balancing out but no one is really questioning why the price increased then there is no reason to never not increase the price. If something gets controversial enough even with sales being decent, enough commotion over a single topic is going to get attention. Money talks, certainly, but we're in a day and age where enough drama over any topic will bring it to the foreground; simply not doing anything at all is literally just making the problem worse.

NepgearDesu17 votes

If you let me, I will give the same piece of advice, though with a very different argument to justify it.

What is Riot Game's first concern? Is it their players? They push buffs or nerfs that make no sense for commoners, e.g. bringing Sejuani down a notch when she already isn't in the best of states; they increase unavoidable champion damage (Darius' W damage, Kha'Zix' passive damage) after admitting that damage overall was a little over what it should be for the game to be healthy; they deem watching more important than playing, as highlighted in the last patch notes; during the PAX event outrage, they let all Riot employees know that they were to ignore players entirely, as they usually do anyway. If players were Riot Games' first concern, they surely wouldn't do such things.

Is it their viewers, then? Tickets for worlds championship are bought by bots within a few seconds of their becoming available to be sold again at much, much higher prices, and it has been a problem for years, support says. If Riot Games cared for their viewers more than anything else, they would have implemented any of the simple ways to prevent such a thing from happening.

Their professional players are too few to be any real concern, and balance changes around them are once again turned towards watching, not playing; their employees seem to suffer the same kinds of problems people in other large companies do, Kotaku says. We can reasonably assume that people aren't Riot Games' first concern.


So let's see what Riot Games has done these last few months: they buffed Kah'Zix right before announcing he would get a skin, as they did with some other champions; regarding skins, they release the most of them for the most popular champions (Ahri for example), almost none for the less popular ones; they're selling a "worlds pass" that costs no less than €15 in EUW and is pushed onto players with this sneaky "claim tokens" button on the mission tab, as if it were only one click away (might also add that it doesn't contribute to the championship prize pool; it's all for Riot Games); said pass grants you tokens based on the number of games you play, and some rewards require intense grinding (prestige skin is 2,500 tokens, you earn 10 tokens per win in SR if you score A or higher; that's 250 perfect games, over 100 hours of play if you're Deepmind, twice that if you're just human), which in turn boosts games played by this much (they'll then say that theirs is the most popular online game); some "missions" require you watch games on their website, which boosts viewer count in a fraudulent way because you're no "real" viewer if you do so to obtain a reward; they don't care who buys worlds tickets as long as they're bought.

The common point of all these statements is that they involve money. Buffing a champion so that it is wholly over the top makes more people play them, and more players are more opportunities to sell a skin, especially if it's brand new and glorious; the worlds pass could have been optional, but if you want even 10% of the event stuff you have to buy it; the way they try to sell it is just dirty tactics; if they have more games played per month, they're more valuable as a company; same if they have more viewers; etc.

Riot Games' first concern is money, especially when they lost 21% revenue over one year.


With that in mind, what is left for any player to make themself heard? First they should, indeed, tell the company that they don't agree with the way they do things. Now imagine that you're a grocer and you sell banana chips, and I'm a customer who really likes banana chips. Every day I come to your shop, I complain about how your products are expensive, and your shop looks bad, and the chips aren't even so good to begin with, and the way you advertise your products is dishonest; and I still buy the banana chips because you're the only one selling these particular chips in the whole town. Every single day, I voice my criticism and still buy your chips, and this has been going on for months. So tell me, would you renovate your shop? It would cost money and I wouldn't buy more chips, because I already buy as much as I need every day. Would you change the way you advertise your products? It brings people to your shop, these people give you money for your products, there's no reason to change. Would you change chips to sell more tasteful ones, or decrease prices overall so I don't feel ripped off every time I buy? I'm buying the chips anyway, and decreasing prices would mean losing money.

I could go on, but in short: most people wouldn't, because as long as they're earning money and it is their sole concern, then they won't change a thing. You don't fix what's not broken, and you don't change what works. You could call it "blatant disdain" and I wouldn't disagree.

So what's your role in that? If you like banana chips, whatever criticism you voice, if you still buy my chips your qualms are well-heard but ignored, because they have no impact on my business. If you threaten to stop buying banana chips because they're too expensive, I might raise an eyebrow and tell you that you can indeed try and find some in another shop, knowing very well I'm the only one selling those in a 50km radius. If you actually stop buying chips, then I'll think you'll back soon, or maybe you really won't buy any more and you're just one customer in hundreds. If tens of customers voice the same complaints and stop buying after letting me know they would indeed stop, then I might see my revenue go down a fair bit. If I was planning on hiring another employee to take some time off, then I might need to postpone it because I'll lack the money I thought I would have. Most importantly, I'll know that if I don't do anything to make my shop look better, or if I don't decrease my prices a bit etc., these customers won't come back, and I might even lose some more.


Riot Games is only one kind of grocer, and you're one kind of customer. If you stop buying for the reasons you complain about, then you will add to their loss in revenues. And if numerous people do the same, then even Riot Games will have to mend their ways, otherwise they'll go bankrupt, however much they pay their marketing team.

The idea isn't to stop playing, or stop complaining, or any combination of the two: it is to stop giving money to Riot, entirely or in part, until they realise that your opinion matters. Next time you see something that you really want to add to your collection, ask yourself whether you can stand doing so while Riot Games isn't trying to make you joyous by offering quality content, but to fill their pockets with your money, whatever complaints you voice. Next time you hear of someone likely to send you a skin as a gift, tell them you don't support Riot Games' policy and would prefer they buy you a novel for example, or a film, an album of a band you like. It isn't much, but if every player cuts their spending by even 20%, Riot will see their revenues drop some more, and they might feel entitled to act.

Because buying is, in a number of ways, supporting; if you don't support, don't buy, or buy less, otherwise nothing will change. Hope that makes more sense to you!

Flashes2 votes

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I love people whose argument is, "Just stop doing the things that you like!" "Just don't do this, just don't do that.; you're not allowed to have an opinion and speak out, just completely distance yourself from it like it never existed."

Man, sometimes I find eating food to be a pain, but I guess you may be right cause I do have an eating disorder after all.

NO! Please Vhan8765 that's not funny continue to eat and seek help please I'm begging you

Vhan87651 votes

It was defs a bit more dark humor and I do apologize for that cause I don't mean to make light of something serious, but in all seriousness though I do think I'm handling it well. I like to eat, it just makes me nauseous. >.< Rough period in life but I'll get through I'm sure; if I can't find humor in things that's when stuff gets grim lol! Thank you for expressing concern though; I'm just some random dude but I appreciate it none the less.

BrightWîngs38 votes

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Then don’t buy skins and stop watching their little esport events. Hmm problem solved and you save money and have more time for other stuff. Sounds like win win!

it still effects me because the buffs go through and effect my normal play are you not paying attention the buffs dont just go away if I dont buy the skin or refuse to watch pro play

Paintchip1 votes

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it still effects me because the buffs go through and effect my normal play are you not paying attention the buffs dont just go away if I dont buy the skin or refuse to watch pro play

Your loss bruv. If you don’t have the discipline to say no, then that means you consent Riots buffs and what they are doing.

In that case, why you post a thread crying about it?

BrightWîngs25 votes

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Your loss bruv. If you don’t have the discipline to say no, then that means you consent Riots buffs and what they are doing.

In that case, why you post a thread crying about it?

bro can you read? what am I losing? Im gonna make it clear because you clearly dont get it.

If I DONT watch pro play if i DONT buy skins IM STILL EFFECTED BY THE UNNECESSARY BUFFS THATS WHY IM COMPLAINING HERE ON THE BOARDS if I dont do either of these doesnt change anything the buffs will still go through and effect me just as bad as someone who does watch pro play and buy the skins I really dont understand what part of that youre not getting.

Paintchip1 votes

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bro can you read? what am I losing? Im gonna make it clear because you clearly dont get it.

If I DONT watch pro play if i DONT buy skins IM STILL EFFECTED BY THE UNNECESSARY BUFFS THATS WHY IM COMPLAINING HERE ON THE BOARDS if I dont do either of these doesnt change anything the buffs will still go through and effect me just as bad as someone who does watch pro play and buy the skins I really dont understand what part of that youre not getting.

Naw bruv, I got it jusr fine. If you don’t like then don’t play.

BrightWîngs3 votes

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Naw bruv, I got it jusr fine. If you don’t like then don’t play.

well you clearly didnt

AirKingNeo5 votes

buff kha just so his championship skin sells

jhin and kai'sa still unchanged

why even have faith in devs

Spank the Fox3 votes

This is new and original

Nilok3 votes

It's worse, it isn't about Pro play, it's about Pro plays, online viewers instead of the people actually playing the game, Pro or otherwise.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/sT3n0ZXV-riot-makes-me-hate-competitive?comment=0005

Biscuit Bite3 votes

Haven't you realized by now? They just want to push skins and make money, buffing champions to get sells, marketing scheme baby. They don't care about players since 2015.

Check this guy out, he's wasting his free days to get his account unbanned, cause of auto-ban. People getting auto-bans, getting banned for "rude" words, this game has become a SJWs breeding ground.

This is his post: https://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/8G6AluGY-got-14-days-ban-for-intentinal-feeding-for-having-a-really-bad-unlucky-game?comment=00080001

Best regards, I've quited League, but I'll be involved from time to time on boards. At least on boards you'll find a community.

MrHaZeYo2 votes

No they know we know it's happening, they tell us in the patch notes. It's just something we have to deal with for a patch or two and for those of us who enjoy watching the pro scene, it does make it more appealing.

SlashStriker2 votes

Everyone wants Riot to buff towers so Riot is buffing towers for next season as everyone wanted

BrightWîngs2 votes

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Everyone wants Riot to buff towers so Riot is buffing towers for next season as everyone wanted

and thats great but these things i feel are just damage control sometimes for their greedy actions

Gamer Gallade2 votes

the main complainant i have with buffing for pro play is that it also effects for us Solo queue players that has to actively relay on our own skill.

Buffing champions for Pro Play is so fucking shallow that it really hurts the players overall because of the unnecessary power that causes those champions to get banned alot more then they should while other champions that are an actual problem are not put in checked for fucking pro play is just flat out retarded. Looks at Jhin, Draven, Brand and other problem champs

Its annoying to have his problem because it damages alot in solo queue that doesnt have a team to play with or those that already master the champion will just destroy their opponents even harder that makes them want to perma ban them every match.

Its just frustrating to a massive degree.

SeventhFeelíng2 votes

5 . They ban people easly, to win even more money from new accounts.

Automated Riven1 votes

This is stupid. They ban people because then other paying customers won't quit. It had nothing to do with new accounts.

SeventhFeelíng1 votes

Lol.. exp boost, new skins purchases... they've seen the potential and now the system is much more punishing. They know the behavior of their toxic playerbase and know that those who are toxic will keep making new accounts and put money into it.

mack91121 votes

Posts like this worry me

ValiantKiller1 votes

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  1. You buff champions that are fine or already really strong in normal play making the experience for the people who play against that champion and the people who play said champion because its going to be perma banned. Example: Darius Khazix

  2. Numerous times have I see this crap staged/rigged

  3. You buff champions so their skins will sell better Example Lucian https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/954437-league-of-legends/77017039

  4. The worst part you do all of this like we are fucking stupid and dont see what you&#039;re doing

Look i agree with you on all of that but your 3 point say they buffed urgot before they released a skin, matter of fact urgot didn't get any buff at all except a size fix and root removed from his ult during casting that is all and that not even buffs.

BrightWîngs1 votes

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Look i agree with you on all of that but your 3 point say they buffed urgot before they released a skin, matter of fact urgot didn't get any buff at all except a size fix and root removed from his ult during casting that is all and that not even buffs.

youre right but thats just one out of the rest of them it still is very much true

ValiantKiller1 votes

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youre right but thats just one out of the rest of them it still is very much true

That why i said i agree with everything except that point :)

BrightWîngs1 votes

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That why i said i agree with everything except that point :)

no i meant the champions that were buffed for skins i should have explained that better

ValiantKiller1 votes

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no i meant the champions that were buffed for skins i should have explained that better

Ohhh alright

candybomberz13371 votes

League is a game about learning.

If you hate a champion as an enemy you can:

  1. Ban it
  2. play it
  3. learn to counter it

Step 3 might include playing heroes you are not comfortable with.

You might just learn how to play the matchup with the champs you usually play, but that might still be sub optimal and boring if they have little counter measures to the kit of the hero you hate.

BrightWîngs2 votes

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League is a game about learning.

If you hate a champion as an enemy you can:

  1. Ban it
  2. play it
  3. learn to counter it

Step 3 might include playing heroes you are not comfortable with.

You might just learn how to play the matchup with the champs you usually play, but that might still be sub optimal and boring if they have little counter measures to the kit of the hero you hate.

I think youre missing the point

damage241 votes
  1. I think you are missing the point. The point of nerfs and buffs. Tanks are really strong right now im top so buffs like the one on Darius are completely fine by me.
  2. Evidence?
  3. Maybe stop and think that buffs to champions are planned already and they hold off on them to release a skin afterwards (you know, fair business tactic). Or maybe making a skin on a champ makes them look at him and see he needs changes. Or any other reason that's more plausible than them purposely buffing a champion for a skin. And even if the buffs are like you say. Do they matter as long as they don't make the champ broken/un-counterable?
  4. Do I even need to address this?

Riot said they will not make any major changes in the meta before preseason because we complained about too many changes too quickly. You are all exaggerating with this riot hate. Backing them in a corner at each occasion you get. Looking at everything with nostalgic lenses and feelings of juvenoia. I'm not saying this season wasn't one of the worst If not the worst season for lol but you are all exaggerating on how bad it is and blaming every single thing on riot.

Cavesloth1 votes

The fact that you have any faith left this far in the season is a miracle.

LOLOL1 votes

I already knew this in season 2. When Zombie Brand was released, an inconvenient "bug" allowed his ult to bounce 6 times rather than 5, making him quite OP. It also took them a full patch cycle to fix this.

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