all i see are veigar QQ threads

The Bard Dog·Feb 15, 2015·31 votes·2,124 views

jesus christ, get over it. we get it you don't like it. even though you haven't even tried it yet we know you don't like it. veigar's gonna be HORRIBLE. just like ahri was gonna be HORRIBLE. just like nidalee before she got her rework was gonna be HORRIBLE. just like sion was gonna be HORRIBLE.

you guys all bitch and complain and moan about a change you haven't even seen in action yet. know why riot's not gonna revert the veigar changes right now? BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO SEE WHERE VEIGAR IS AFTER THESE CHANGES AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY same with mordekaiser. jesus christ i can see why reds don't come to these forums often. its just bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch about every little thing.

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James NicholasFeb 15, 201510 votes

They essentially gave Veigar some team fight capability and everyone that played Veigar has been like "Fuck that I want to delete the guy I'm laning against and that's all WA WA WA!"

CopelandoFeb 15, 20157 votes

What did they give him to help with teamfighting? I only see disadvantages.

The Bard DogFeb 15, 20154 votes

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What did they give him to help with teamfighting? I only see disadvantages.

Nobody's going to pay attention enough in teamfights to dodge his e anyway. at least this time people have a chance of not getting stunned instead of what would happen when a good veigar would play. instant stun followed by prompt deletion

It Is I EmotoFeb 15, 201510 votes

I have to jump on this, because how is even veigar supposed to harrass in lane if his E and his W is now delayed? They're both now easily avoid able and harder to hit without any cc from any team mate to follow up with.

ModAcademy KaynFeb 15, 20151 votes

Alright so what i think Riot is going for is the James Bond Villian with Veiger. They gave him an increased range with his cage so he can throw it out and trap you inside it, so he can plan a Q and E that forces you to choose which one you'd rather get hit by. Do you dodge his Q to get hit by E? Or do you take the brunt of E since you know he has maxed his Q? Veiger is esstianally doing the "Do you save you save the planet or your girlfriend" of James Bond Villans, and James Bond shows sometimes we can do both. Thats my two cents, anyways.

It Is I EmotoFeb 15, 20151 votes

Sadly its only 50 extra range, not like 300 lmao. You have to get close in range to make them either run into your cage or dodge it with mobility spells, yet if veigar is putting himself into such close range, its kinda dangerous for him, after all he's pretty squishy too..

Increasing it's range or decrease the delay would be better and healthier than the current one on the pbe, wich is already disliked by the most.

ModAcademy KaynFeb 15, 20151 votes

RaceCar Veiger anyone? To get himself out of situations without need of his stun. Like Sanic.

It Is I EmotoFeb 15, 20151 votes

I dunno, I feel like that'd be a weird way to play him, even if it would be fun (instalok? ;D)

DrCyanideFeb 18, 20151 votes

Movement speed quints, ghost and flash.

A lack of mobility is one of Veigar's weaknesses, and this setup lessens that. Chase a kill, run away from an enemy, whatever you want it will help you out.

ApexInTheCircleFeb 18, 20151 votes

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Nobody's going to pay attention enough in teamfights to dodge his e anyway. at least this time people have a chance of not getting stunned instead of what would happen when a good veigar would play. instant stun followed by prompt deletion

I would point out Zed does this same thing without the cc but then again who the hell am I?

The Bard DogFeb 18, 20151 votes

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I would point out Zed does this same thing without the cc but then again who the hell am I?

the difference is zed needs to land his Q to get a good amount of his damage that will kill you in. his q is a skillshot.

veigar has two point and click nukes, an instant aoe circle stun, and a delayed w nuke that fits with it.

playing an ap against veigar was a nightmare even if you dumpstered him in lane. "oh hey you have 600 ap and 10 kills on me? heheh R, say goodbye to 90% of your health XD"

ApexInTheCircleFeb 18, 20151 votes

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the difference is zed needs to land his Q to get a good amount of his damage that will kill you in. his q is a skillshot.

veigar has two point and click nukes, an instant aoe circle stun, and a delayed w nuke that fits with it.

playing an ap against veigar was a nightmare even if you dumpstered him in lane. "oh hey you have 600 ap and 10 kills on me? heheh R, say goodbye to 90% of your health XD"

The same can be said for malzahar if he get you with his point and click ult which acts as a supress, and if he gets you ontop of his nullzone you're pretty much done for regardless of your score or tank. And I would say Veigar's damage is a very good trade off for his lack of mobility or sustain. He has high mana costs early level which is why his passive is what it is. He mana starves farming considering his entire damage is resting on the fact that he has to farm. It's a must on him or he's lackluster for the rest of the game. Zed being skill shot or not still can get out if he botches his ult. Veigar misses Stun or his ult doesnt kill you he's dead.

mana tonJan 12, 20161 votes

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Nobody's going to pay attention enough in teamfights to dodge his e anyway. at least this time people have a chance of not getting stunned instead of what would happen when a good veigar would play. instant stun followed by prompt deletion

the counter play was either range a spell shield limiting champions that could effectively deal with Veigar i.e Nocturne Morgana but that's the thing. Veigar has a weaker early game that when played against right, could but utterly shut down. Personally i think that riot should have nerfed his base damage just a tad more and left his stun alone. He used to be a safe mid laner like Ahri or Zed but now hes just a punk with a stun that requires ally pressure to either out trade the champion inside of the stun or to run them into the stun upon instinct of running away. I think this is at least a bit more of a tempered opinion on the subject coming from the "I liked Veigar " side. Now I'm stuck with all these try hard ap and ad assassins that do mondo damage in preseason 6. Im looking at you Fizz , Talon and Ahri

ReazaleFeb 15, 20158 votes

Explain how his teamfighting was improved? cos he might hit an aditional target with his Q? nice Let me tell u how he will no longer win a lane/survive a gank without flash.

It Is I EmotoFeb 15, 20155 votes

Though Players on pbe (including myself) have tested those changes; The Q changes are profiting him pretty well with farming, allowing him to do overall more late game damage Though that delay on his E is probably one of the most horrible things.

How do you expect veigar to actually hit it if enemies get a 0.75 seconds chance to escape from it? He was in need of balance changes mostly after the dfg removal, yet destroying Veigars only reliable cc for a bit more ap? that's a nope for me.

ReazaleFeb 15, 20154 votes

Dont forget they took .2 of his ult ratio , he does less dmg now...

ModAcademy KaynFeb 15, 20153 votes

He did a shit ton of damage anyways? Ap users cringe at the sight of all lv6 Veiger with a full mana bar and Tear.

ReazaleFeb 15, 20151 votes

Dont forget they took .2 of his ult ratio , he does less dmg now... Is the Q really that good on an actual pvp game? i mean , for farming and harassing?

It Is I EmotoFeb 15, 20151 votes

Yeah, it's still kinda critical to his ultimate tbh, though they want to make veigar more benifiting with farming from his Q, hence the double ap farm possibility with it. I farmed pretty well with it, and with precise use and aiming, you can harrass fairly good with it, while farming too! (people really understaminate it, wich is wrong from them~)

lDontLiftIcarryFeb 15, 20154 votes

how do you expect a chogath main to land Q when theres a delay on it? They still do.

you run 2 ms quints thats how.

It Is I EmotoFeb 15, 20151 votes

Yeah yeah, dont forget that he has 250 extra range on his Q than veigars E (950 on Cho's Q while veigars e is 700) and that it's 0.625 seconds (though not that much of a difference tbh)

lDontLiftIcarryFeb 15, 20153 votes

theres a longer delay and an obvious animation (stomping) that goes with his Q. Exactly. Still landable.

Stop whining. If you honestly are against counterplay being added to any kit in this game then you might as well go play dota.

It Is I EmotoFeb 16, 20153 votes

again....... chos Q has 950 range veigas e has currently 700 range on pbe and chos delay time is shorter than veigars, wich you didnt seem to get too..

i dont mind counterplay being added to his e, yet making it completly useless is not an option.

lDontLiftIcarryFeb 16, 20153 votes

its not useless it actually requires braincells to use correctly now. Moving along. Downvote me all you want while you whine about something you didnt even test yet.

It Is I EmotoFeb 16, 20151 votes

you make that sound like that chos q needs less braincells than veigars e :v

i did test it and thats what i am saying, and people on pbe feel the same about it lol

Raid Boss MordeFeb 16, 20153 votes

Cho'Gath's Q also has a MUCH smaller radius.

EDIT: Just remembered, it also has a long cast time for some reason.

lDontLiftIcarryFeb 16, 20152 votes

exactly! arguing with this guy is a waste of your time. Just ignore him.

JunkοFeb 16, 20152 votes

Veigar stun only hits ON THE EDGE. Cho'gath knockup hits THE ENTIRE AREA

Cho'gath also has a silence to stop mobility spells and the like

huge difference

Hard PenetratorFeb 15, 20154 votes

If you are sure veigar will be better than he is now, explain it to me. Tell me how veigar will be able to do well against skilled opponents.

If you can, you are right and we should stop talking about this subject for obvious reasons. If you can't, shut the fuck up and admit you are just whiny little bitch. Deal?

lDontLiftIcarryFeb 15, 20153 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjEPdg0zqzg

the changes are poorly timed. But yes. I hated viegars E it lacked any counterplay.

SolaxoFeb 15, 20153 votes

OP do you even brain bro? Veigar's changes are straight-up nerfs, unlike Ahri who had only power shifts

A Tall JokeFeb 15, 20153 votes

Well, we may not have seen the change but Veigar currently struggles because of mobility creep.

They exacerbated that problem. When we were already struggling to make accurate stun plays with everyone teleporting and dashing around the map, they decided that Veigar should have that problem 10x. And we still do the same against non-mobile champs. I can see the frustration.

ThePlasticSporkFeb 16, 20154 votes

Veigar does not struggle because of mobility creep. Of nearly all the immobile mages in the game, he probably suffers the least specifically due to mobility, because a) 80% of his burst is targeted spells and b) he has a huge ass cage that only champions with blinks can go through without getting stunned. You don't even have to be close to accurate with the stun, so long as a mobile champion is inside the cage, they can't get out without getting stunned unless they flash or have a built in blink, which few champions do. That gives Veigar much more time to escape than most mages get.

He suffers because his early game is worth fuck all. Lux, an immobile mage, will give Veigar a very hard laning phase. Ziggs? Same deal. Malzahar? Yup, wrecks Veigar. Xerath? Same thing. He suffers because his late game, just like most burst mages, is shit because banshees and QSS destroy his ability to gib, as well as the fact that he can't get to the backline to actually delete squishies. This gives him one stage in the game where he can shine - the mid game - where he can catch people out and will be able to delete squishies because they don't have defensive items yet. His mid game is shot if his laning phase goes extremely poorly - and look at that, his laning sucks and he loses to pretty much everyone that isn't Karthus.

If Veigar is doing well, dashes mean shit to him 1 v 1. Blinks still matter, but if Veigar is fed? Ahri's R isn't gonna save her when he drops the cage and then deletes her with his combo.

A Tall JokeFeb 18, 20151 votes

Dashes can still matter; try stunning a yasuo in a teamfight. His early game can be dealt with; it makes him a liability to teht eam for a long time but that's something that can be worked around; mid game, he can stun and that's his contribution. This takes out his biggest mid-late game contribution because deletion is meh. Any other mid can do it just as well. (Well, any played mid).

NotDevanFeb 15, 20152 votes

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jesus christ, get over it. we get it you don't like it. even though you haven't even tried it yet we know you don't like it. veigar's gonna be HORRIBLE. just like ahri was gonna be HORRIBLE. just like nidalee before she got her rework was gonna be HORRIBLE. just like sion was gonna be HORRIBLE.

you guys all bitch and complain and moan about a change you haven't even seen in action yet. know why riot's not gonna revert the veigar changes right now? BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO SEE WHERE VEIGAR IS AFTER THESE CHANGES AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY same with mordekaiser. jesus christ i can see why reds don't come to these forums often. its just bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch about every little thing.

You should go check out the comments on the PBE boards from the people who HAVE played it.

Hint: They're the same as the comments you're seeing here (mostly; I enjoyed the changes).

Volt CruelerzFeb 15, 20152 votes

Summary of opinions from those who have played pbe Veigar that I've seen (including myself): Q farming is glorious. E should have been nerfed some other way.

SeviangFeb 15, 20152 votes

All my upvotes for you. So tired of people whining about changes when no one know how it will play when it goes live.

LegostrikeFeb 15, 20152 votes

I know. Once I got on the PBE I realized that boards are wrong a lot.

JunkοFeb 16, 20152 votes

Let's see Ahri changes: -Lessened the importance of landing E -Increased damage on W and E -Made Q give a GIANT speed boost (and the spell is spammable)

Let's see Nidalee change: -Spear deals less damage -Traps deal max health damage over time -Cougar spells all deal more damage -New passive that gives vision -Using Pounce on target affected by passive now doubles the range -Cougar form available at level 1 -AD ratios increased

Let's see Veigar changes: -Q now a skillshot that pierces once -E is now delayed by almost an entire second -Ult ratio reduced -Cooldowns on W and E reduced by a second -Cooldown on Q increased by 1 second

Veigar got a ton of buffs compared to Ahri and Nidalee sarcasm