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My Friends are LEAVING Riot

Diamond Frostman··8 votes·1,105 views

A few of my friends have decided to quit League because of this season and the way that Riot is essentially turning this game into something that is close to Call of Duty in strategic diversity. I have invested a lot of time and effort with League over the years but I am beginning to wonder if its actually worth it because it seems that Riot does not care about me or my class of champion.

I have always been a mage player, I started out maining Zyra during the end of Season 4 and I really enjoyed the diversity that this game had to offer BEFORE I learned about the "meta" and people started spamming champions that were considered "unfair" or "unbalanced".

Ever since then, Riot has been doing the same mistake over and over for years. They bring out a new item or champion that is hediously overpowered, e.g. item 3930 or Ekko (on release) and just let it dominate for a few weeks before actually adjusting it or bringing out another overpowered item or champion to replace that one. Its a continuous cycle of things that RUIN the games experience.

Now, I know some people will not agree with me but I originally picked up mages BECAUSE they have skillshots and in my opinion they do take the most skill from AD champions like XinZhao and Rengar which have point and click abilities. I feel that today, mages are perhaps the most harshly punished champions in the game. Lets face it, their items are too expensive and not really as good as the number of options that AD champions have.

Lets compare to prove my point,

item 3135 - One Varient item 3035 - 3 Varients

It just isn't good enough Riot. The one only truely unique item that AP's have access to item 3157, has been made so expensive that you won't get it before Zed reaches 6 and tower dives you with his ultimate, to which that is pretty much the ONLY counter (unless you are playing Lissandra and have to burn your ultimate defensively).

Its just not good enough Riot, this game is not rewarding enough to keep playing. I used to be happy when I got a kill because I could see myself improving but now, if I get a kill, Vayne or Graves just comes back with an early game power spike and owns a squishy mage support in 1 Q - Hence why I cannot play Zyra anymore at all in SR.

AD champions have too much of advantage and there is too much favoritism around champions... For example, Zed and LeeSin. I'm even starting to question why I would continue playing this game. I have to bust my ass and get all my skillshots right in my combo and all of that means nothing if Graves can practically kill me with one Q.

There are also DELIBERATELY not many armor options for AP champions, except for item 3157. Yet, AD champions have item 3156 which is an offensive item SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to counter AP champs. You took the AP off item 3025 so that AP mages could not build that either for any particular benefit.

I am just sad... I used to love this game and now... I'm just hating it. I'm hating AD champs who are mouthy and believe they are somehow "good" when they already have a massive advantage because they are an AD champ.

If you don't think that is true, I respect your opinion but this is how I FEEL at the moment in League. I am almost ready to just give up playing.

34 Comments

Cherysse4 votes

AD champs right now have a lot of advantage, particularly some ADC's, right now Yi is currently broken, same goes for Graves, MF, Corki and others. Immobile mages are heavily punished in almost every matchup, thats why I stopped playing Xerath and started maining the jungle with Quinn, Kog'Maw and Leona (they all work, somehow) and I got to platinum 5.

Still there is a lot of favouritism for some mages like Lux, Ahri and LB.

Zed and Lee Sin haven't been nerfed properly and now we have a new AD Assasin Item when we actually need more AP options.

Diamond Frostman1 votes

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AD champs right now have a lot of advantage, particularly some ADC's, right now Yi is currently broken, same goes for Graves, MF, Corki and others. Immobile mages are heavily punished in almost every matchup, thats why I stopped playing Xerath and started maining the jungle with Quinn, Kog'Maw and Leona (they all work, somehow) and I got to platinum 5.

Still there is a lot of favouritism for some mages like Lux, Ahri and LB.

Zed and Lee Sin haven't been nerfed properly and now we have a new AD Assasin Item when we actually need more AP options.

Ahri and Leblanc both have assassin elements so I would hardly call them "mages" since they both have an easily spammable form of mobility to escape most situations plus LeBlanc has damage that would make Xerath cry.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Ahri and LB both have more counterplay than Zed does, and LB is an assassin. Ahri I heard used to be an assassin? Not sure, I joined the game in S5, but she's now more of a mage. What I'm trying to say is that they can be killed more easily than most assassins. You proc LB's passive? Just click a clone and if it doesn't have any items, focus your attention on the other one and she's dead. Ahri? Get her to waste her ult then go all in when it's down. You can also kill her before she ults if you do it right. Zed? He just blinks away after he ults or shadows out. I have much an easier time against LB and Ahri than Zed or Yasuo (the latter being he's not as bad as Zed but still annoying as fuck with his tornado and double passive).

Diamond Frostman3 votes

Zed also has a massive playerbase protecting him from substantial nerfs or changes. Most champions do not actually have that. Plus he also had an item specifically designed for him recently so I don't see how you can argue that he is not a "favorite" like LeeSin.

alasarcher2 votes

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Zed also has a massive playerbase protecting him from substantial nerfs or changes. Most champions do not actually have that. Plus he also had an item specifically designed for him recently so I don't see how you can argue that he is not a "favorite" like LeeSin.

Here, look at me, i dont play zed, i havent played him from s3 and i can say, he is nothing special. And do you know, new item item 3147 benefits Zed the least? Before you start looking at me weird saying WTF, think about this: If you are AD, how do you counter Zed? You build item 3140 , ya see? It removes both Zeds ultimate and new item. Now consider these: Khazix Nocturne Rengar MasterYi LeeSin Kindred Talon MonkeyKing Yasuo XinZhao

Would you buy QSS for any of them? No, ofc not. So they can utilize that item fully. Even mages with Zhonya counter it like his ultimate, although u would build Zhonya against others. So Zed practically benefits more from items that he can utilize fully.

Diamond Frostman3 votes

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Here, look at me, i dont play zed, i havent played him from s3 and i can say, he is nothing special. And do you know, new item item 3147 benefits Zed the least?

The unique ability might, but it doesn't negate the fact that its basically Deathfire Grasp for AD assassins and benefits all of them. It even benefits AD bruisers like LeeSin, providing them with a few execute if they prove unable to kill a target on engage. Its just... wrong. You can't take an AP item away because its toxic and then give it to another class of champs.

Its the same as what happened to Zilean "point and click bombs are "toxic" but Tristana can have them in her rework!

alasarcher1 votes

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The unique ability might, but it doesn't negate the fact that its basically Deathfire Grasp for AD assassins and benefits all of them. It even benefits AD bruisers like LeeSin, providing them with a few execute if they prove unable to kill a target on engage. Its just... wrong. You can't take an AP item away because its toxic and then give it to another class of champs.

Its the same as what happened to Zilean "point and click bombs are "toxic" but Tristana can have them in her rework!

DFG was damage amplifier, new item is finished which is removed making it useless.

fractalfantasies2 votes

Blahblahblah I'm so salty blahblahblah

Meanwhile it is the immobile mages such as Lux and Annie who are strong.

Diamond Frostman2 votes

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Meanwhile it is the immobile mages such as Lux and Annie who are strong.

Lux and Annie are both strong, yes... Annie is only used for her Flash+Stun combo and she is completely point and click so I do not consider her a mage. Lux is a strong pick but she would not win against a Zed in mid and is better as a support.

fractalfantasies1 votes

Zed isn't even OP

git gud

SnugglePuggle943 votes

Go away, Zed lover

fractalfantasies1 votes

Don't even have him unlocked.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Then why are you talking shit then? Zed is overpowered.

fractalfantasies1 votes

I don't need to be a Zed fanboy/main/player to know that he isn't.

Both Lux and Zyra have higher winrates than Zed

SnugglePuggle941 votes

They aren't overpowered like he is. Win rates don't matter to me.

fractalfantasies1 votes

So facts don't matter?

Zed isn't actually overpowered, he just hurts your fee-fees.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

LOL no he doesn't. He is overpowered. Even Riot Gaussrik says so on his Ask.fm page. Win rates don't really matter if a champ is broken or not. Look at Lee Sin, who's sitting around a 47% win rate, and he is OP as fuck.

Even if Zed is at a 50% win rate, he still is OP.

fractalfantasies1 votes

Then what are your assumptions that Lee and Zed are OP based upon?

SnugglePuggle941 votes

It's based upon playing hundreds of games against them and seeing how vastly they outdamage the rest. How they can make insane stupid plays without punishment because they have too much mobility. It's based upon hundreds of posts on these boards asking for nerfs for them and Riot doing nothing.

I don't need win rate to tell me who is or who is not balanced or overpowered. It's sitting there right in front of me.

fractalfantasies1 votes

If this is true, why are their win rates not higher?

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Many factors come into play for that. They have high skill caps so a lot of people don't know how to play or use them correctly. Some who are good can get fed but can't win their games for whatever reason like the team trolling, afking, or they just are being overtaken by the enemy team. There could be other reasons that I'm forgetting but those are the main ones.

fractalfantasies1 votes

Given the truth of what you have just said, it seems reasonable to conclude that they are not OP.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Annie is the counter to mobility, so she stays that way. She's a burst mage that's squishy and slow. Has easy weaknesses to abuse. Lux is slow and squishy, just bait out her stun and bam dead or has wasted summoner spells getting out. Also I know it's hard trying to avoid her E but it's attainable.

Zed on the other hand....mega mobility, two escapes, annoying ass ult, frustrating double passive...he's too strong right now.

alasarcher1 votes

I see you are bitching about Zed and only Lissandra counters:

Vladimir Fizz Lissandra Kayle Malzahar Talon Zilean

All of these are viable midlaner and can prevent Zed from killing you and all except Zilean can turn and beat the shit out of him.

I sincerely suggest you , instead of bitching that some champ or item is op, you focus on improving your own skills and u will realize that skill beats everything.

Diamond Frostman4 votes

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I see you are bitching about Zed and only Lissandra counters:

Vladimir Fizz Lissandra Kayle Malzahar Talon Zilean

All of these are viable midlaner and can prevent Zed from killing you and all except Zilean can turn and beat the shit out of him.

Its not bitching about Zed, I know he CAN be beaten. He just has a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE from the start of the game. It doesn't matter if he can be countered or not, its not starting off equal that is the problem with him. The odds of winning are more in his favor because of his waveclear, damage and safety.

GreenLore1 votes

Thats pretty much the entire reason why assassins are usually played midlane. Because assassins are a class that has by default the advantage over immobile mages,who are almost all played in midlane.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Well Zed is on another tier then the other assassins. That's why so many people bitch about him.

DrNova1 votes

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I see you are bitching about Zed and only Lissandra counters:

Vladimir Fizz Lissandra Kayle Malzahar Talon Zilean

All of these are viable midlaner and can prevent Zed from killing you and all except Zilean can turn and beat the shit out of him.

I sincerely suggest you , instead of bitching that some champ or item is op, you focus on improving your own skills and u will realize that skill beats everything.

Ekko actually counters him as well because he can use the Mana+armour options

GreenLore1 votes

They plan to do a mage update this year,that will imrpove itemisation for mages Zyra Velkoz Vladimir Malzahar Cassiopeia Brand are planned to get small gameplay reworks alongside it.

Ryze is also planned to get another rework,but it is going to be a seperate thing.

DrNova1 votes

All of what you have said is arguably wrong BTW.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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I have always been a mage player

There is a mage update scheduled next.

Surr20plz1 votes

Op needs to git gud.

LadyParallel1 votes

There are 3 items used by mages that have magic pen. not just one. as a mage player u should know them.

Vayne has KIND of a power spike at lvl 6 but so do most champions in this game.

Zyra is still very much viable, support and mid. its ur problem if u cant play her. plenty of zyra mains and mid/support mains do.

Zhonias is ALSO an offensive item specially made to counter ad champs.

Plenty of mages have point and click abilities though u conviniently ignore those or dismiss them as not being mages like annie. she is the defenition of mage. get over it.

As someone who claims to main mages u should know they have plenty of unique items. u just dont see it or u dont like them or dont know how to utilize them. talk about unique items, ever seen assassin builds? they were always the same they never had items for them so they were forced to use adc or top bruiser items and now they finally got something for them which is balanced actually as it is mostly useless when used by adcs and bruisers (unless said bruseir is already fed in which case its not the items fault).

And finally, no ur not ready to give up. for months u have stated such things and complained over and over again. ur not leaving. ur just gonna keep complaining some more and enjoy the attention.

Troiann1 votes

Rengar has point and click ability?

You mean his fucking autoes?

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