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Diamond Frostman··85 votes·4,884 views

When cheesefests like Zed, Yasuo and LeeSin are not in it. Sorry but these champions are just HORRIBLE. You beat them once, it doesn't matter because they can still easily kill you despite you having a lead over them. (AD items are also currently better in the stats they give and their cost which ensures they will get their powerspike before you if you play AP so you will always be at a disadvantage. THANKS RIOT! :) ).

Their mobility is rediculous especially for what they have to do to get that much mobility (Lee Sin only has to hit you with ONE OF the fastest skillshot in the game which by definition makes it easier to hit) (Feel free to go check the missle speed).

Plus all of these champions have much easier time with resources then most other champs that use mana. Yasuo doesn't use anything and gets a free anti-poke shield just for running around.

Not disrespecting anyone who plays them but still... these champions are pull your hair out frustrating. Especially how you get Zed down to a tiny bit of health and then he just teleports back to complete safety. (Of course, we all know another assassin that can do that Leblanc )

These types of champs are NOT fun, they are only fun for the people playing them. The best example of a healthy assassin is Talon in my opinion because if he uses his ultimate to engage on an enemy, he HAS NO ESCAPE, giving a fair chance to kill him. It forces the player to THINK about how they are going to use those few seconds of suprise before they get killed. THAT'S what an assassin should be.

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Deep Terror Nami31 votes

Did someone say "cheesefest"? Twitch

Diamond Frostman11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-02-04T10:34:15.774+0000)

Did someone say "cheesefest"? Twitch

Welcome to the party Twitch... So glad to see that you are getting played more now. I love Twitch as a champ :)

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Diamond Frostman7 votes

Maybe I am just sick of them because I'm a support player and everytime the ADC and I do well in bot, somebody will feed one of these 3 and then they will come down, like the unwanted child at the family reunion and interrupt a good, fun fight in bottom and horribly uneven the odds. You may say "buy wards"... well yes, of course I do but they have a limited time and these three will ALWAYS roam because they have no penalty for doing so. There needs to be more of a reason for them to actually stay in lane.

That is why I have picked up support Taric, his point and click is VERY useful at stunning Lee Sin when he lands that rediculous skillshot on somebody, so he dies before he gets his combo off. That is the ONLY way I have found of stopping his rediculous combo in bot lane.

doombotMECHA4 votes

which, of course, is why he's going to lose it when he gets updated T_T

CarameI Frappe3 votes

LeeSin "Omfg this freaken support is OP Riot please nerf Taric. I'm a Diamond V and my combos shouldn't be stopped because of some weak meatshield."

Taric "I wanted to say 'Gems' to irritate you, but this is just sad ..... and all so delicious at the same time."

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Lee sin can't have counterplay now can he. He is the counterplay to everything.

Ruin Lance5 votes

" Zed Yasuo and LeeSin " "cheesefests" "Yasuo free anti-poke shield" <- that can be popped by literally anything and takes a while to charge back up again, giving you a huge amount of time to poke him as much as you please"LeeSin fastest skillshot in the game" <- Jayce RekSai Jinx need i say more?

VasilisGreen19 votes

This guy's Jhin W is the fastest skillshot now.

Diamond Frostman9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hamil Battar,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-02-04T10:20:17.312+0000)

This guy's Jhin W is the fastest skillshot now.

I changed it, Lee Sin now has ONE OF the fastest skillshots in the game, still does not really make it any better but since everyone wants to split hairs, I concede.

Snowplosion1 votes

I thought Lee Sin Q was slowish. Not like Nidalee spear slow but slow.

Sinlaire2 votes

its like a 1700 missle speed. about the speed of a leblanc dash.

not slow.

Snowplosion1 votes

Daaammmmmmnnnnn how do people dodge that shit...

Sinlaire1 votes

they dont. he misses.

Diamond Frostman8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ruin Lance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-04T10:17:57.613+0000)

" Zed Yasuo and LeeSin " "cheesefests" "Yasuo free anti-poke shield" <- that can be popped by literally anything and takes a while to charge back up again, giving you a huge amount of time to poke him as much as you please"LeeSin fastest skillshot in the game" <- Jayce RekSai Jinx need i say more?

Could you imagine if Lissandra had a free shield that charged up as she moved around, equivilant of a free item 3102 which is effectively what that is. The community would scream bloody murder until it was nerfed or changed. So why is it acceptable on an AD champion and not on a AP?

Oh and before you say "these champs are different", let me remind you that Lissandra has CC, the same as Yasuo's free Janna tornado. Yes, its a little more powerful in lockdown but thats because she can't use it every third auto-attack.

This topic is me saying, these champions are not fun or rewarding to play against in any which way. If I beat a Zed, I may feel accomplished until he comes back in lane with a completed AD item and destroys me because of the imbalance between AD and AP. I pretty much HAVE to build item 3157 to beat Zed, now convientiantly made one of the most expensive items in the game. Well done Riot.

fééd l0rd5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Diamond Frostman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2016-02-04T10:29:31.347+0000)

Could you imagine if Lissandra had a free shield that charged up as she moved around, equivilant of a free item 3102 which is effectively what that is. The community would scream bloody murder until it was nerfed or changed. So why is it acceptable on an AD champion and not on a AP?

Oh and before you say "these champs are different", let me remind you that Lissandra has CC, the same as Yasuo's free Janna tornado. Yes, its a little more powerful in lockdown but thats because she can't use it every third auto-attack.

This topic is me saying, these champions are not fun or rewarding to play against in any which way. If I beat a Zed, I may feel accomplished until he comes back in lane with a completed AD item and destroys me because of the imbalance between AD and AP. I pretty much HAVE to build item 3157 to beat Zed, now convientiantly made one of the most expensive items in the game. Well done Riot.

Yasuos shield is a free banshees? k. Lissandra has the same cc as Yasuo? k. Of course you need a Zhonias as mage against Zed. What if I tell you that his lategame is really weak and he needs a strong early-midgame? You are so damn biased it's insane. Please get to level 30, start understanding the game and try to search for ways to beat these champions instead of whining here.

Diamond Frostman10 votes

[{quoted}](name=fééd l0rd,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2016-02-04T14:46:17.946+0000)

Yasuos shield is a free banshees? k. Lissandra has the same cc as Yasuo? k. Of course you need a Zhonias as mage against Zed. What if I tell you that his lategame is really weak and he needs a strong early-midgame? You are so damn biased it's insane. Please get to level 30, start understanding the game and try to search for ways to beat these champions instead of whining here.

and you are so biased FOR assassins, its rediculous. How about you get to Challenger before you comment mate because if thats the attitude that you have, that nobody under level 30 can have an opinion then why not "nobody under challenger can have an opinion" I.E. you.

fééd l0rd4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Diamond Frostman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=0001000200000000,timestamp=2016-02-04T15:08:24.655+0000)

and you are so biased FOR assassins, its rediculous. How about you get to Challenger before you comment mate because if thats the attitude that you have, that nobody under level 30 can have an opinion then why not "nobody under challenger can have an opinion" I.E. you.

I'm not biased towards assassins since I main the adc role. And neither Lee nor Yasuo are assassins :) Get knowledge and stop crying here, this game is not about who has the strongest champion, it's about tactics and teamplay. Unlucky that the majority of players doesn't understand that.

Diamond Frostman4 votes

[{quoted}](name=fééd l0rd,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=00010002000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-04T15:55:59.754+0000)

I'm not biased towards assassins since I main the adc role. And neither Lee nor Yasuo are assassins :) Get knowledge and stop crying here, this game is not about who has the strongest champion, it's about tactics and teamplay. Unlucky that the majority of players doesn't understand that.

Wrong... The game is currently, "whoever has the most AD based champions wins". Nobody is crying, I am saying that I enjoy the game more without these cancerous and badly designed champions. Funny you say that Yasuo and Lee Sin arn't assassins since on Riot's on page for these champions, there secondary role is assassin and you build them LIKE assassins anyway.

Seenan5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Diamond Frostman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=000100020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-04T16:05:27.380+0000)

Wrong... The game is currently, "whoever has the most AD based champions wins". Nobody is crying, I am saying that I enjoy the game more without these cancerous and badly designed champions. Funny you say that Yasuo and Lee Sin arn't assassins since on Riot's on page for these champions, there secondary role is assassin and you build them LIKE assassins anyway.

The fact that you mentioned Lissandra, a person with 4 kinds of cc in her kit, not getting a shield...When ironically, she gets invulnerability for a few seconds if she so chooses...Is silly.

Yasuo's a squishy melee ADC. The only way he can even survive is if he gets some tanky item like DMP and/or whatnot. But even then, one cc and he's usually deleted. Play Leona into Yasuo or something.

Kaeblen4 votes

Definitely the first time I've heard Yasou called squishy.

I guess... there needs to be a first time?

IntakiNine9 votes

He has some of the lowest base stats in the game. That includes defense and health. Calling him squishy is just stating a fact of hard numbers.

Audiomancy2 votes

You also have to take into account that he has an extra 80-500 or so health in the form of his shield. That, combined with his high movement speed and excessive mobility makes him pretty resilient.

SKT T1 Maddog982 votes

You mean that shield that goes away with one AA?

Kaeblen6 votes

he means the one that refreshes to full when he ults

ChewbaccasRear2 votes

As much as I hate Yasou (almost as much as I hate Ekko), he is in fact super squishy. I remember during the top Yasou phase, I was truly happy. My Garen, or Sion, hell even when i brought back my personal favorite of Hecarim top, I would eat him whenever i seemed fit.

He is super squishy, however with the dashes making him slippery, his passive shield taking damage away from one action (why i usually like to auto him and wait for it to go down before actually trying to trade) and his wind wall blocking ranged attacks, just make him a bitch to hit and actually kill thus why he doesn't feel as Squishy.

AbusingMyRights1 votes

Ekko "I like hitting you!" (how can you hate ekko? he's so cool :( )

ChewbaccasRear2 votes

Everything about him I hate, his entire kit is just so god dam infuriating, the slows, stuns, free undo button, dash and blink, etc etc, but hey the hate fueled my desire to beat him so it helped me learn his weaknesses and punish him for the slightest mistake. Plus my Sion rips any Ekko apart and it feels soooo gooodddd (dodge his Q, move out of his W, wait for him to think he can get a free auto off me, shield myself with my W, slow him with my E, try to land a knock up Q on him, and bam won trade. Once i hit 6 is when i really start to have fun, point blank ults stop him from using his Ult.)

AlwaysByMySide2 votes

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Definitely the first time I've heard Yasou called squishy.

I guess... there needs to be a first time?

Have you actually looked at his base stats?

He has the lowest base HP of any fighter in the game that isn't Gnar (who gets a huge base HP steroid in the form of Mega Gnar, and tends to build tank).

Avios17 votes

Tbh, Lee Sin might as well be an Assassain with his current scalings.

Quantum Lotus2 votes

{quoted}

Tbh, Lee Sin might as well be an Assassain with his current scalings.

A tanky and disruptive assassin might I add :P

viken5 votes

Are you really arguing that Yasuo's passive is broken because it'd be broken if it was on Lissandra? And did you really just compare it to Banshee's? The only thing they have in common are their cooldowns. Oh and did you just say that Lissandra is the same as Yasuo because they both have CC? And that Yasuo gets a knockup every 3 auto attacks? Holy shit, you're a lost cause, I'm sorry.

Also, the community screams bloody murder about it already, even after like a dozen or so nerfs.

yoniame2 votes

dunno personally whenever i see enemy picking yasuo i enjoy my free lane win. Zed Lb Fizz are toxic as hell tho.

AlwaysByMySide5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Diamond Frostman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-02-04T10:09:07.680+0000)

The best example of a healthy assassin is Talon

Stopped reading.

Handin Out Naps1 votes

Eve and Shaco have healthy kits 4Head.

Fanny Forecast5 votes

Okay, the reason AD assassins is unhealthy is for a few reasons, and it isn't exactly what you think...

  1. AD items are cheaper and have better build paths than AP items. Pieces are also cheaper. This allows for more early power.
  2. AD items are, on non-marksmen, mid game items. AD casters typically don't scale into the late game with their AD. Blue Ezreal is a mid-game monster that falls off. Urgot is an early-mid game monster that stays in due to building bruiser, not straight AD. Varus falls off late game as well. This applies heavier to AD assassins.
  3. AP items have more utility than AD items, significantly. The only AD items I can think of off the top of my head with utility are Tiamat bases, Merc Scimitar (which has a bad build path compared to other AD items), and Muramana. With AP items, you have MR Shred in an aura (Abyssal), Rabadons-level % MR shred (Void Staff), Rabadons (35% bonus ap), Zhonyas, Morellos (grievous wounds), Athenes (mana font), RoA (not really utility, but provides significant tankiness), Serephs (shield and massive AP, significantly more than it's AD counterpart), etc. And this is just off the top of my head.
  4. The games end earlier, so the area of the game where they're most powerful is the current end game. If you look at it from a point of who scales later (ignoring leblanc, kind of), AP assassins and mages scale later but have a tougher time in the early game, ESPECIALLY vs AD assassins. This is why KhaZix mid works. It's also why Yasuo goes mid rather than top. They can stomp mid with their early-mid game power to shut you down, then roam to shut down other lanes.

If you want a good example of this, cuz this is EXTREMELY text heavy, I know, look at videos detailing AD vs AP Kayle. She's an Auto-Attack/Caster hybrid in either form, but AP Kayle is significantly stronger than AD Kayle late game, however in a mirror matchup between the two, AD Kayle will win lane before AP Kayle can even start to noticably scale, so AD Kayle wins overall.

GlockHammer4 votes

Twitch is the only champ I wouldn't mind getting cheesed by. <;

AninLegions7774 votes

Actually if Zed losing in the laning phase, he has a hard time coming back.

yoniame3 votes

he can just gang any other lane, with his w and ulti, then get out nearly unscratched, and since he has energy instead of mana, with a faster regen rate, he can go back to lane Immediately, and insta farm with his Q+E and with his ad

AninLegions7771 votes

Man you think Zed is like Katarina. No. He needs AD to utilize his AD ratios. If he's falling behind, chances are his building a defensive item, making his dmg output lower. He can still gank but it won't be a guaranteed kill or he might die in the process. And what do you mean by go back to lane immediately? If he doesn't have ult in lane, he's screwed even further. He'll probably get dived until it's back up.

Cowgirl Ed3 votes

lee sin ? wat

Diamond Frostman14 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kiss Kiss Kiss,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-04T10:12:50.204+0000)

lee sin ? wat

Yes I know, there is a big circlejerk over Lee Sin but I really hate him for the preferential treatment he gets from Riot. His kit can literally do everything, outside of healing and the damage on his ultimate is rediculous for a champion with so much utility. Plus he does not really have to do anything to get his combo off, just land one skill shot thats extreamly fast and easy to land. That is my opinion, hate me all you like.

GlockHammer5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Diamond Frostman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Nj1EzEU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-02-04T10:16:46.873+0000)

Yes I know, there is a big circlejerk over Lee Sin but I really hate him for the preferential treatment he gets from Riot. His kit can literally do everything, outside of healing and the damage on his ultimate is rediculous for a champion with so much utility. Plus he does not really have to do anything to get his combo off, just land one skill shot thats extreamly fast and easy to land. That is my opinion, hate me all you like.

Actually, he has both spellvamp and lifesteal on his iron will so technicaly he has heal/sustain. What he can not do is heal others, but it's probably just a matter of time till Riot realises this and "fixes" it.

Diamond Frostman9 votes

{quoted}

Actually, he has both spellvamp and lifesteal on his iron will so technicaly he has heal/sustain. What he can not do is heal others, but it's probably just a matter of time till Riot realises this and "fixes" it.

Yeah, I can see it now...

Lee Sin

Iron Will - Now heals allied champions and gives 5% additional spellvamp and lifesteal to all allied champs (Global)

(Sorry Soraka, we are replacing you and giving your ult to LeeSin because we like him more and he makes us more money!)

Who needs a support when Lee Sin is there!?

GlockHammer2 votes

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Diamond Frostman4 votes

{quoted}

Wowowowwowowowowoooow! Lordeh bro, please don't inspire them! Seriously, they have a tendency to make reality of some of the most "unlikely" and what some people might refer to as: "retarded" - suggestions! D,:

Sorry, I won't poke the sleeping dragon. Riot please disregard that last comment for all that is Holy!

Wyrmblade2 votes

Mobility and dueling power on the same kit really needs to be avoided like the plague.

Ulquiorra9952 votes

Too bad at least one of them is in every single fucking game, normal or ranked.

But hey, this is a game where pushing Lee out of spotlight is a valid reason to get nerfed, so things aren't going to change anytime soon.

Iqqi2 votes

Assassins champions are Riots second greatest failure. See they make assassins that can blow someone up and then transition immediately into successful fighters. Or like Akali and Kha they make assassins who can "Assassinate" entire teams.

Riots definition of assassin is squishy early game capable of spiraling out of control and destroying entire teams while being able to 100-0 someone in >2 seconds then just turning into a MADC and carrying the game in a now 4v5.

INoble KnightI1 votes

They say Malz is unhealthy cause of his Suppression ult. The ability to make one person not exist is to powerful for people who can make ENTIRE TEAMS NOT EXIST. Oh and to add insult to injury Malzahar is also an assassin and is getting the nerf bat despite it.

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