I need help with math (AP Evelynn and magic penetration)

Jesus is Savior··2 votes·1,361 views

You can view my runes and masteries and stuff here:

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1801603168/207930793?tab=builds

So here's the issue. Even AP Eve does hybrid damage. I'm not sure what the ratio of my burst is, but if I were to guess, I would say around 66% magic and 33% physical (that seems to be what the end-game graphs say, but I'm not sure if it changes over the course of the game significantly or not). I'm also not sure how much that ratio changes with and without my ult.

So the problem: I was looking at this picture:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140221113726/leagueoflegends/images/d/d2/35perc_Pen_Dmg_Scaling.png

Which is on this page:

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Void_Staff

And every little bit of math I did seemed to imply that if this was my final build:

item 3285 item 3285 item 3089 item 3115 item 3708 item 3100

Void Staff would be a better pickup for my burst almost 100% of the time, even against squishy targets, even if it only applies to 66% of my damage.

So the question: if I don't need the movespeed from a 2nd Luden's, is Void Staff always going to be a better pickup, even against squishy targets?

Things to take into account:

  1. that graph in that picture doesn't include the mastery penetration

  2. my assumed physical/magical ratios might be wrong

  3. How many Qs am I gonna get off in a fight? How many spellblades? How many nashor proc's?

  4. Don't forget about Deathcap when doing any math

Please help. If AP glass Eve is gonna be my new main, I don't wanna be doing stuff like this if it's wrong:

http://i.imgur.com/tdwQSjG.png

7 Comments

Bears Dont Care2 votes

Voidstaff penetration is incredibly effective even against squishy targets.

I cannot do the math on my phone but you would be increasing your damage significantly.

The reason you would see more damage is due to how much is sustained on top of the fact that hate spike and her ult are aoe magic damage.

Your burst will come primarily from ravage but that is physical.

I would replace lichbane with void since nashors has no icd like it does.

Maybe an lw since ap glass cannon eve is there to kill squshies whose mr wont grow as much as their armor will

ValyrianBlade1 votes

I'm not going to bother with the math (sorry) but I'll note 3 things:

  1. It's been well discussed that Void Staff and Last Whisper are incredibly efficient even versus squishy targets with only their base MR/Armor and possibly some from runes. So I'd say it is indeed likely that Void Staff would be better for your burst.

  2. You have two items applying extra damage to your auto attacks based on your AP, but as Magic Damage. So I think magic pen will help those as well more than your AP would have.

  3. Not sure at all where that 33% Physical damage is coming from. I would suspect you're using a lot more physical damage clearing camps while jungling rather than during your burst. With a build like that (and remembering the on-hits are magic damage) I would expect your burst to be much more than 67% magic damage...

Jesus is Savior2 votes

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I'm not going to bother with the math (sorry) but I'll note 3 things:

  1. It's been well discussed that Void Staff and Last Whisper are incredibly efficient even versus squishy targets with only their base MR/Armor and possibly some from runes. So I'd say it is indeed likely that Void Staff would be better for your burst.

  2. You have two items applying extra damage to your auto attacks based on your AP, but as Magic Damage. So I think magic pen will help those as well more than your AP would have.

  3. Not sure at all where that 33% Physical damage is coming from. I would suspect you're using a lot more physical damage clearing camps while jungling rather than during your burst. With a build like that (and remembering the on-hits are magic damage) I would expect your burst to be much more than 67% magic damage...

Eve's E is AP scaling physical damage. That's why 33% of my burst is physical.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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Eve's E is AP scaling physical damage. That's why 33% of my burst is physical.

And AD. Honestly she needs to be pure magical.

Dangerous Man1 votes

Full damage? You need a item 3116 for the constant slow and item 3152 (If you think it will be a long game buy item 3146 instead) To constantly live. Void staff is a complete need for every mage.

Stonington1 votes

So weird. You're Plat and you build two Luden's Echos? I guess I need to grind out more games... But yeah, Void Staff should be in your build.

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