Are we ever going to see a rework for these super Toxic champs?

Guy Fox Teemo·Aug 19, 2015·1 votes·407 views

These champions tend to be extremely frustrating to play against because of the nature of their kit and most of them provide little to no counter play around the very frustrating parts of their kits. There insanely annoying to play against, and their kits are overall just badly made. Not many of them are "broken" or very good in general, but there kits are pretty much just designed to annoy the shit out of you and make the game un-fun, and just changing the numbers around won't do much. Most of these champions either need a complete over haul or a rework that of gangplanks size.

(Fizz, Heimdinger, and Veigar, all got a rework of some sort but I still think their kits are super frustrating and annoying to play against)

EDIT: IT seems everyone who saw the didn't even read it and thought it was a rage thread about the champions being OP. Lol

17 Comments

ShinTwistAug 19, 20158 votes

Translation: "I feel so entitled to winning the game as my champions of choice that everything that inconveniences me should be changed at the expense of players who play champions differently than I do. If I use Riot's buzzwords, surely I will get upvotes and results."

Guy Fox TeemoAug 19, 20151 votes

It seems you didn't even read the post, these champions are Un-fun to play against and have VERY badly made kits that are toxic to play against.

MisterHealYoGirlAug 19, 20154 votes

Most of these champs are super easy to shut down.

ShinTwistAug 19, 20153 votes

I read the post, I just called you out on being an entitled player who wants other players' fun taken from them because you don't like it.

Adding buzzwords doesn't change that. Some of them do have poorly designed kits, some, not all, but I doubt you could explain why that's the case if you tried. Your post does nothing to support itself, it just says "these champs are bad, destroy them!", it's useless, entitled whining.

Guy Fox TeemoAug 19, 20151 votes

Nope ya didn't read the post at all. The only one of these who even has a "Decently" designed kit is Riven, but her scaling and how much snowball potential ruins it.

ZephyrDrakeAug 19, 20153 votes

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Nope ya didn't read the post at all. The only one of these who even has a "Decently" designed kit is Riven, but her scaling and how much snowball potential ruins it.

what YOU find unfun doesn't mean other cannot find fun in them. Sorry to say this but the world doesn't revolve around you. Shocking isn't it?

ShinTwistAug 19, 20152 votes

Riven's kit is actually excellently designed, in large part due to her scalings. Snowballing isn't inherently bad, OP. Riven is one of the most interactive champions in the game, she's like reverse Yorick.

That's neither here nor there, however, you kind of proved my point, you restated your opinion but did nothing to support why you feel the way you do.

Sniper 0Aug 19, 20153 votes

Your kit annoys me sir. Can we Nerf it?

LuggAug 19, 20153 votes

Blitzcrank has pretty high risk to go with the reward. Try pulling an Alistar into your team and winning the fight. Evelynn if your team buys pink wards, she is pretty easy to deal with. Fizz not going to argue this one, Fizz needs a MAJOR nerf. Heimerdinger Riot needs to move some of his damage from his turrets to his grenades. That way actual skill is needed to play him. Katarina She should get 1 reset and then it goes on CD for 30 seconds. Same as any champ with resets. Kayle is only a problem with Sated Devourer. That is an item problem, not a champ problem. Leblanc was fine until they decided to revert some of the last nerf. Riven needs reworked for sure. Shaco isn't too bad. Only needs some tweeks. Singed is in a really good spot right now. Don't touch him at all. Talon snowballs harder than any champ in the game. Auto wins lane if he gets a kill on his opponent. Needs work. Tryndamere another one that I won't argue, needs rework. Veigar give him a slight buff and he would be fine. Warwick same as Kayle, only a problem with Sated. Yorick rework is already coming, just taking forever.

Guy Fox TeemoAug 19, 20151 votes

DID YOU EVEN READ THE POST, these champions aren't BROKEN, there UNFUN TO PLAY AGAINST/have terribly made kits that are inherently toxic. Is is fun that I can press Q on blitz and get an auto kill, no it isn't, is blitz broken ? No, but his kit is centered around 1 ability, that if he doesn't land, he's useless.

LuggAug 20, 20151 votes

{quoted} his kit is centered around 1 ability, that if he doesn't land, he's useless.

You just proved the point I was making. He isn't toxic because he is high risk/high reward. Plus his grab is easy enough to avoid if you are good.

ModWulf HelhammerAug 19, 20151 votes

She should get 1 reset and then it goes on CD for 30 seconds. Same as any champ with resets.

What other champions have cooldowns on their resets? Do you not get the entire point of resets?

Tristana doesn't have any limitations on her resets, Eve doesn't have limitations on her resets, Kha'Zix doesn't have any limitations on his resets.

If anything, Katarina has more limitations on her resets: She has to deal damage within 3 seconds, whereas the others just have to get a kill or assist (which is a 10 seconds timewindow to get assists)

LuggAug 20, 20151 votes

I was saying that every champion that currently has resets should get 1 reset and then it goes on CD. Unlimited resets is the most powerful ability in the game. In order to balance those champions correctly, you would have to nerf them so much they wouldn't be playable. My idea lets them have a reset but no unlimited ones.

TrídentAug 19, 20153 votes

Veigar Singed

Yorick .. ?????

The WhamboozlerAug 19, 20152 votes

Getting to late game is Shaco's counter. You know he's a warrior jungler AND he falls off besides that, right?

Half the champs on that list aren't really ones most people would consider strong or oppressive either. I mean... Viegar? Singed?! Blitz is annoying but dodge that Q and he's useless. Git gud, mate.