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my first look at 7.2 PBE Nid changes

SwiftKitten88··3 votes·734 views

base health increase back to 4.17 values, finally... took you long enough

primal surge, decent, still would have done a direct 4.17 revert myself...

but.. the traps?

i mean making them invisible is an interesting idea but... their targetable now?. again not a big deal.

but the entire issue with traps with.. they do NOTHING other than procing hunted, and that you cant put them in a lane because _ lane minions proc them_

they STILL have 40 damage + .2 AP as the LAST skill nidalee will max.

unless either give them their pre-rework base damage of 80 + .4AP, + 20% armor/magic pen, and aoe, OR you give them thier post rework 20 +10% hp +.02% ap. they still arn't going to be of any real use.

i mean sure i know that first 2 changes are certainly goign to help her and are much needed (even if the small heal buff wasn't quite how i would have done it myself) , but... i really have no idea what on earth made u do that trap change. and i honestly have no idea how that will affect her, if at all.

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SimaZao2 votes

Her traps are boring and wasted potential.

RlP K0BE1 votes

I have a feeling these changes wont be enough to help nidalee crawl out of the hole shes in but we will see when they hit live i suppose.

I think Riot is taking a cautious approach with Nidalee. As she can take a buff to her kit and run with it I feel like they are buffing her step by step instead of over buffing her and then having to nerf her again.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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I have a feeling these changes wont be enough to help nidalee crawl out of the hole shes in but we will see when they hit live i suppose.

I think Riot is taking a cautious approach with Nidalee. As she can take a buff to her kit and run with it I feel like they are buffing her step by step instead of over buffing her and then having to nerf her again.

the health WILL help a lot, her HP scaling was abysmal and this is certainly goign to help, the heal is pretty much nothing. and i have no clue wtf riot was doing with her traps and how that change will affect her

ReZisT Lust1 votes

You place the traps to the left and right of the lane so you can keep an eye out for ganks.

Hige1 votes

traps should be replaced with something else tbh, Nidalee's kit doesn't make much sense thematically, she's something close a to a cave woman with rudimentary weapons and... a heal? but her traps serve no real purpose on their own since they don't trap anyone... her autoattacks throw spears at people and it regenerates on her hand automatically lol

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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traps should be replaced with something else tbh, Nidalee's kit doesn't make much sense thematically, she's something close a to a cave woman with rudimentary weapons and... a heal? but her traps serve no real purpose on their own since they don't trap anyone... her autoattacks throw spears at people and it regenerates on her hand automatically lol

yeah a cave woman that is able to TRANSFORM into a cougar... sorry but what? nice try ignoring half her kit and really? her autos? pretty much everyone with range attacks that use some form of actual weapon behaves pretty much exactly the same. They all have infinite ammo and most don't need to recharge. Her traps aren't there to trap anyone but to mark them, to injure someone and then track them down so she can hunt them. She is a hunter!

Hige1 votes

I didn't ignore the fact that she can transform, that and her Q are the only parts of her kit that makes sense lol I was listing the stuff that doesn't

As for infinite ammo, yeah, draven has this phenomenon too, it doesn't mean they couldn't try to fix it somehow, I mean, Kalista also hurls spears at people and regenerates it even though they stick to them but she's a ghostly being so it kind of makes sense, sense is good.

as for the trap marking people... I guess she has some sort of magic in there since tracking a trap that sticks to people is only possible through technology and we've stablished she's a cave woman so...

SwiftKitten881 votes

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I didn't ignore the fact that she can transform, that and her Q are the only parts of her kit that makes sense lol I was listing the stuff that doesn't

As for infinite ammo, yeah, draven has this phenomenon too, it doesn't mean they couldn't try to fix it somehow, I mean, Kalista also hurls spears at people and regenerates it even though they stick to them but she's a ghostly being so it kind of makes sense, sense is good.

as for the trap marking people... I guess she has some sort of magic in there since tracking a trap that sticks to people is only possible through technology and we've stablished she's a cave woman so...

dude, you need to read her lore.. like REALLY BADLY.

Hige1 votes

There are few dwellers residing in the blasted and dangerous lands that lie south of the Great Barrier. Much of that world still bears the scars of past Rune Wars, especially the mysterious Kumungu Jungle. There are long-forgotten treasures in these strange places which many risk life and limb to acquire. Nidalee was only a young girl traveling with her treasure-seeking parents when they lost their way in the dense, rainy jungles. The jungle was unforgiving, and she watched her parents suffer agonizing final days as they fell victim to a mysterious and vicious disease.

As improbable as it was for a child to survive in the inhospitable jungle by herself, she did just that. Her youthful innocence and a fortunate naivete caused her to appeal to the beasts of that place and she was taken in by a family of cougars and raised as one of their own. She grew and somehow absorbed the raw magic of the dense wilds, evolving beyond both her human physiology and her feline affectation. Now a fierce, nigh-mythical predator, Nidalee battles viciously with tooth and nail against any who would threaten the vast jungle she calls home.

??? what is there to read that clarifies the traps or the heal or the spears regenerating?

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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Nidalee was only a young girl traveling with her treasure-seeking parents when they lost their way in the dense, rainy jungles. The jungle was unforgiving, and she watched her parents suffer agonizing final days as they fell victim to a mysterious and vicious disease.

She grew and somehow absorbed the raw magic of the dense wilds, evolving beyond both her human physiology and her feline affectation. Now a fierce, nigh-mythical predator, Nidalee battles viciously with tooth and nail against any who would threaten the vast jungle she calls home.

??? what is there to read that clarifies the traps or the heal or the spears regenerating?

wow are you really that dense or are you trolling? please read that! she is not a cave woman, it explains her heal and magic and also it's a damn game! this is not a game that is realistic you complaining about "regenerating spears" is stupid. Hell even in "realistic games" you have people recovering from bullet wounds in less than 5 seconds by simply hiding in a corner.

Hige1 votes

you need to chill, I'm not complaining,I'm stating a simple truth, other champions don't have these problems because they were designed to work around them, Nidalee was one of the 40 original champion and her rework didn't strive to solve these issues because at the time, Riot was tiptoeing around the Karma/Trundle update. If Nidalee were to receive another VGU, you can be damn sure that they would remove her heal, traps and her passive would be tied to her autoattacks somehow.

She is not a cave woman as you said, she's a jungle indigenous magical woman who uses rudimentary tools and clothings made by herself, or in short, cave woman. I can't explain everything I write because I expect the minimum amount of thoughts from these boards but apparently that is asking too much.

Also it does not explains her heal, the fact that she has become this sort of mythical predator has nothing to do with the fact that she can heal people, she is a HUNTRESS, not a nurse. Of course, you're always welcome to come up with explanations out of your bum if that helps you sleep at night but the fact that Riot hasn't updated her lore and has changed her gameplay pattern more than Ryze's speaks tons of truth.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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you need to chill, I'm not complaining,I'm stating a simple truth, other champions don't have these problems because they were designed to work around them, Nidalee was one of the 40 original champion and her rework didn't strive to solve these issues because at the time, Riot was tiptoeing around the Karma/Trundle update. If Nidalee were to receive another VGU, you can be damn sure that they would remove her heal, traps and her passive would be tied to her autoattacks somehow.

She is not a cave woman as you said, she's a jungle indigenous magical woman who uses rudimentary tools and clothings made by herself, or in short, cave woman. I can't explain everything I write because I expect the minimum amount of thoughts from these boards but apparently that is asking too much.

Also it does not explains her heal, the fact that she has become this sort of mythical predator has nothing to do with the fact that she can heal people, she is a HUNTRESS, not a nurse. Of course, you're always welcome to come up with explanations out of your bum if that helps you sleep at night but the fact that Riot hasn't updated her lore and has changed her gameplay pattern more than Ryze's speaks tons of truth.

you are the one that needs to chill since you are complaining about things that have no impact whatsoever. Sorry but you have ZERO idea of what you are talking about. The lore tells you everything about her yet you somehow have no idea how she can heal or transform or anything and then proceed to call her a cave woman... sorry but what? that shows that you don't even bother reading the lore in the slighest. SHE ABSORBED THE RAW MAGIC OF THE WILDS! she EVOKES the spirit of the creature she transforms into! her own damn skill tells you this if you bother actually reading it oi am not pulling anything out anything not my fault you cannot read to save your life.

sorry but no, you don't get to come here and act all stupid, refuse to read what is in front of you and then call out others because they called you out on your FAILURE of everything. They would not remove her traps or her heal at all if they reworked her. She is a HUNTER, she hunts, hunters use traps. Hunters know how to track their prey specially if they have been wounded. Once again, you FAIL!

Hige1 votes

I'm going to respond just because I want to make you waste more time ranting on the internet, I have not a care for what you have to say though, have a nice day.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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I'm going to respond just because I want to make you waste more time ranting on the internet, I have not a care for what you have to say though, have a nice day.

neither do i, have a terrible day

SwiftKitten881 votes

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neither do i, have a terrible day

just ignore him, some people wont listen to reason if their life depended on it.

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