All the guides for mages like ryze, xerath, cassio (and that type of mages) recomend to always buy void staff. Is it matematically more worth to buy it than morello if the enemies have no MR item? I've seen some posts about it, but some said yes some said no..
Nhifu1 votesIt's because they're late game champions.
A Ryze Xerath Cass will never end the game early to mid, so people tend to easily buy MR later on add that on top of levels giving stats (people get MR fast)
Khristophoros1 votesI'm guessing it's probably worth it at like 3rd or 4th item generally if you're looking at pure damage output and nothing else.
40% magic pen breaks even with 15 flat magic pen for enemies with about 37 MR so it's pretty much always going to be equal or better than Morello's or Sorc Shoes for damage. It also applies before flat pen so it synergizes with those items.
But it has no mana, CDR, defense, or utility so that's why I think it's better to wait till later to get it.
Lotus Bloom1 votesThe answer is "No, not really." If the champions that you're playing against aren't building magic resist items then you're better off buying more raw AP and flat penetration items like Sorc Boots and Morello. Void Staff is % penetration and therefore doesn't do as much work to targets with low magic resist values.
Khristophoros1 votesBreak even point with 40% and 15 flat is 37 MR so lol
Lotus Bloom1 votesBreak even point with 40% and 15 flat is 37 MR so lol
Well, I'm more incline to believe that the item is not a good buy unless someone is building resistances. If you reference Phreak's Patch 8.4 notes rundown, you'll see that Void Staff isn't gold efficient until the target has over 90MR. Now, even if it's equal to 15 pen at 37 MR, you're still technically not gold efficient, and you should opt for more RAW AP instead.
Khristophoros1 votesIt's not good to rush early because it lacks other things you need like mana, cdr, defense, or utility. However my point is that damage isn't the problem. It's always a good damage item.
If you want to calculate vs raw AP you should do the same for flat pen because at this point it comes down to your base damage vs ratios.
So how early Void Staff or any pen item becomes good strictly for damage is very champion specific.
edit: Oh yeah I forgot about the cost efficiency. So I guess you pay more for the pen compared to the flat pen items.
Lotus Bloom1 votesIt's not good to rush early because it lacks other things you need like mana, cdr, defense, or utility. However my point is that damage isn't the problem. It's always a good damage item.
If you want to calculate vs raw AP you should do the same for flat pen because at this point it comes down to your base damage vs ratios.
So how early Void Staff or any pen item becomes good is very champion specific.
I'm not arguing that you should never buy the item. Just that you shouldn't auto-pilot buy the item without assessing if the item is actually going to be more effective at amplifying your damage output. If the item isn't going to be gold efficient against any target that you're hitting then it's best to consider if other items would be better instead.
Lotus Bloom1 votesIt's not good to rush early because it lacks other things you need like mana, cdr, defense, or utility. However my point is that damage isn't the problem. It's always a good damage item.
If you want to calculate vs raw AP you should do the same for flat pen because at this point it comes down to your base damage vs ratios.
So how early Void Staff or any pen item becomes good strictly for damage is very champion specific.
edit: Oh yeah I forgot about the cost efficiency. So I guess you pay more for the pen compared to the flat pen items.
Indeed, indeed. They really made the push to making it an anti-tank item with all the efficiency cuts.
Hethalean1 votesIf you are facing a lot of melee champions, I'd say so since most melee champions get an MR/level and end up with around 51-53 MR (talon ends up with 60) and 40% of that (since it applies first) is about 20 MR penetrated. However that being said, it's still probably good as your last item maybe. It's just AP and penetration. no mana or CDR, so other items first is a good idea.
So with Morellos, Sorc Shoes, and Void Staff, someone without MR items basically has 0 MR.
20+18+15 is about 53 so you'll be doing true damage like a Velkoz at that point :)
TheWizardM1 votesDepends. In such cases I would recommend going for Luden's, Rabbadons, Hextech, or Lich Bane first, but once you already have plenty of ap & spell effects void staff is always a better option than Morellomonicon. That is, unless your enemy has plenty of (self-)healing and you aren't playing burst. For instance; if you are playing Lux vs say a Draven then Void Staff is better, but if you are playing AP Swain you would prefer Morello in that situation :)
DW Diana1 votesAll the guides for mages like ryze, xerath, cassio (and that type of mages) recomend to always buy void staff. Is it matematically more worth to buy it than morello if the enemies have no MR item? I've seen some posts about it, but some said yes some said no..
Yes if you aren't buying anymore MP items. Otherwise no.
heroikc1 votesIf your opponents aren't building much mr, I'd say it is safe to ignore Void Staff for awhile and focus on Rabadon's or other items.
KlydeFrog1 votesNo void staff really is kinda useless. Moro is better
