Can Edge of Night and Banshee's Veil have the same unique passive name?

JavelinJoe·Feb 9, 2017·86 votes·5,882 views

Both are annoying, but when you stack them is when it gets excessive. Like how Maw and Sterak's have the same unique passive name, but different functionalities, these two items should have the same kind of set-up. For example, take Rengar with and is 4.5 ability defenses (2 full blocks, 1 shield, 2 hard cc removals) which all more or less need to be burned to actually start to kill him with AP based abilities. Add a on an ally and he now has 2 of every anti-ability/hard CC function.

But back to my point. these two items should have the same unique passive name since they do almost the exact same thing, but currently can be stacked.

50 Comments

TheLastShadow45Feb 9, 201750 votes

item 3814 -active.

item 3102 -passive.

So how do they share a passive?

Glory ln DeathFeb 9, 20176 votes

How about changing Banshee's Veil to an Active effect similar to Edge of Night. Make it slightly different so it appeals more to a tank playstyle and give them Hextech-style interaction - using one puts both on a shared cooldown.

It could be something like an instant, 2 second spellshield that grants Spectre's Cowl's passive regen boost if it's popped.

YuGiHoFeb 10, 20171 votes

tanks dont even get item 3102 most of the time they get item 3065

Glory ln DeathFeb 10, 20171 votes

One of the reasons for that is because the passive on Banshee's Veil is pretty crappy. Changing it to an active and incentivizing it for tanks (possibly - maybe it shouldn't be geared towards tanks at all) would make it more appealing for them, and increase it's pick rate.

MrHaZeYoFeb 9, 20173 votes

I mean Maw and Steraks have different abilities but they share CD.

I approve this.

TheLastShadow45Feb 9, 20171 votes

They are both called lifeline so that is why.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 10, 20176 votes

The only reason they're both called lifeline is because it was a balance issue having people building both and being nigh unkillable once they got low.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 10, 20172 votes

They have more in common than item 3053 and item 3156 . Even if one is a passive and the other an active, at least they do the same thing.

yay nibbersFeb 10, 20172 votes

item 3145 Passive item 3146 Active item 3030 Active item 3152 Active

It's been done before.

DunkinNoobsFeb 9, 201720 votes

I've literally never seen someone build both.

BladeSingularityFeb 9, 20171 votes

Same here, and I wouldn't want to see it ...

Spaceman5pffFeb 9, 20175 votes

Nocturne item 3814 item 3102 RIP ur ADC

What even is a peel LUL

MelledoneusFeb 9, 20174 votes

Nocturne be like http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/shingekinokyojin/images/9/91/Armored_Titan_breaks_gate.gif/revision/latest?cb=20150719072825

JVP15Feb 9, 20171 votes

Sivir item 3102 item 3814 Morgana lul

mason waterFeb 9, 20171 votes

oh god played against that with QSS the other day on aram... -morg and banshees it felt impossible to touch her

Spaceman5pffFeb 9, 20172 votes

Morg mid, Janna Supp :^)

reaperteaserFeb 9, 20171 votes

i have on aram before when the team had a full roster of hard cc spammers

RisenDarkKnightFeb 9, 20171 votes

I build both sometimes. It's really nice if the enemy team is all AP or spell based. Banshee's makes a nice last item vs an AP heavy team.

Spaceman5pffFeb 9, 201714 votes

BUT MUH Nocturne summoner 1 item 3140 item 3814 item 3102 item 3222 DIVER BUILD HOW WILL IT BE VIABLE ANYMORE RITO HATE DIVERSITY

TheOnlyJoeFeb 9, 20173 votes

nocturne with cleanse? u sure u don't need summoner 11 or anything?

SpoofghoulFeb 9, 20172 votes

u can have both of them, or have someone else on your team take smite

Spaceman5pffFeb 9, 20171 votes

Cleanse / Smite.

You don't need flash when they can never catch / hit you!

Gallows madnessFeb 9, 20172 votes

I approve it's trolly and looks fun

I may try this to actually give myself and excuse to play him (looking for fun stuff to play in normals)

General Esdeath Feb 9, 201718 votes

Why would I take smite mid?

TheOnlyJoeFeb 9, 20174 votes

damn son

LordSirChipmunkFeb 9, 20171 votes

where'd ya find this?

Gallows madnessFeb 9, 20173 votes

Season 5 called they want there ezreal back :)

Gallows madnessFeb 9, 20172 votes

cough smite ezreal broken af in s5

LeafSteelFeb 9, 20178 votes

Their

JVlasterQuinnFeb 9, 20171 votes

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BUT MUH DIVER BUILD HOW WILL IT BE VIABLE ANYMORE RITO HATE DIVERSITY

/s

item 3222 item 3139 item 3814 item 3102 item 3053 item 3111 summoner 11 Nocturne ? Bring me those disable !

Edge of DaybreakFeb 9, 201712 votes

How does edge of night interact with banshees? does banshees get popped first or edge or are both popped when im hit with them both on? If they are both popped then stacking them doesnt matter as popping my banshees puts me in combat which means i cant use night anyway.

Succubús GFFeb 9, 20171 votes

I believe, it pops banshees because edge of night is a channel, so once its channeled you get edge of nights active

13900 EssenceFeb 10, 20171 votes

It might work like that, but any action at all (aside from walking) cancels the edge of night channel.

Auz the RipperFeb 9, 20173 votes

If you have multiple Spellshields on you at the same time, one spell will pop all of them simultaneously They don't stack at all

rtbf76109271Feb 9, 20174 votes

Not only have I literally never seen someone build both from my own games to pro level, that doesn't make any sense anyways. Edge of night is an active not a passive

JVlasterQuinnFeb 9, 20173 votes

As much it seems strong, 1,5 second channel time that can be interruped by damage is fairly long and almost disable it's use in combat. Benshee pop instantly and also pop even during in combat. Yes stat is more appropriate for AD champion as they use most of these stat but i don't think people should be limited by using both as benshee remain the strongest regardless.

LankPantsFeb 9, 20172 votes

I actually think that EoN and QSS/Merc should share a passive name. That combo of items is just far too good, it makes it impossible to even touch an ADC as a CC based tank or support.

13900 EssenceFeb 10, 20171 votes

Edge is a spellshield. QSS/Merc is a non-summoner spell cleanse. You can't use edge after being stunned, and you can't use QSS/Merc as a spellshield to prevent CC in the first place.

They are completely different things. I don't disagree that having both makes people really hard to CC, but it also means they are sacrificing potential damage output.

invisiblecat1Feb 9, 20172 votes

I don't think they should, because they are really the only counter play to point and click cc

JofeyyFeb 9, 20171 votes

I feel like no one buys item 3102 anymore since item 3814 came out... UNLESS they are stacking both lmao.

Cosmic WarperFeb 9, 20171 votes

Just nerf edge of night into the ground instead. Honestly a broken item that was already sleeper op before the buffs

ElishevaFeb 9, 20173 votes

Sounds like someone mains mages, and doesn't know how to kill anyone with mr.

Cosmic WarperFeb 9, 20171 votes

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Sounds like someone mains mages, and doesn't know how to kill anyone with mr.

it's not the mr, it's the active. Pair it with maw and no magic damage champion can kill you. Especially since the shield has insane uptime for a spellshield.

LordSirChipmunkFeb 9, 20173 votes

I main mages, and even I find this ridiculous. Asking anything to be "nerfed into the ground" contradicts the idea of game balance in general.

JusticePauldronsFeb 9, 20171 votes

I rarely seen someone build both, if they do they are overloading their AP defense and as such your adc or bruiser should be able to take them down rather easily.

13900 EssenceFeb 10, 20171 votes

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