Singed is completely unplayable

Moody P·Mar 22, 2019·5 votes·2,047 views

Conqueror has made it so that matchups he used to counter now counter him along with the fact that he just can't deal with ranged top lanes at all. For how much counter play he has and for how much it work it takes to master him, its genuinely shocking that he is allowed to be this bad after years of indirect nerfs after he was targeted directly. Why does the balance team ignore it?

I don't know what else to say. Singed mains can't even figure out how they want to play him anymore and its almost universal agreement that he's a troll pick the higher up you climb. He's far more tolerable to deal with than most of the top laners who are currently powerful picks.

For people who say "no, he's cancer;" If Riot buffed Gnar then there's no reason not to help Singed. Lets not hold a double standard here.

9 Comments

Dokueki KenshinMar 22, 20192 votes

He’s obnoxious, but I do agree he feels weak. I’d like to maybe see him not be able to proxy as easily (that’s literally the one thing every Singed I’ve faced did ever, and it’s both uninteractive when you’re ahead and borderline unfair when you’re behind), but he definitely needs some love. Maybe a tiny rework to his E so that it’s easier to land the root, more base armor/MR, something like that.

ParmupaevitusApr 6, 20191 votes

If you are behind and the singed proxies you, then what is your problem? You get to relax in lane and last hit everything. When you are behind and you are laning against fiora/riven, good luck touching minions. The reason people cry about singed proxying is because nobody understands wave management, if you freeze agains singed, the minions near your tower will be lost to him, if he stays to get them he cant proxy, if he leaves them he gets behind half a wave of exp every time he backs including the gank danger. I guess your average league player wants to shoot things at stuff all day to feel they are accomplishing something.

Dokueki KenshinApr 8, 20192 votes

You’re not wrong that freezing is an option, but you also have to remember that normally freezing also involves you having your wave to work with. Because of the fact that he’s proxying, not only do you not have your own minion wave with which to initiate the freeze, meaning you have to body block the entire wave yourself, and he’s still getting farm and gold. His minions will continuously push into your tower or into you, slowly chipping away at your health or dying to tower prematurely and causing you to lose farm while also doing damage to said tower. Meanwhile, unlike if he’s in lane with you, you can’t punish him for not positioning properly or being too agressive. Usually, you have to rely on your jungler to dislodge a proxy, and that’s assuming they can depending on how they’re doing. I know a Singed Proxy is not the end of the world, but it’s also harder to deal with than you might fully appreciate.

ParmupaevitusApr 11, 20191 votes

first 5 levels you can have the tower tank at least half the minions, if you have a dorans blade then you will lifesteal most of that shit back anyway. Having your jungler just approach the proxying singed can make him blow his ghost or execute which means he needs to get back into proxy position/lose minions, to fuck up a proxy singed you don't even need to kill him, proxy has been purposefully targeted by riot for the last 3 years as something they don't want in their game, beafier minions, minions don't follow into the jungler, resistances are bullshit stats, so the proxying singed cant live through a random 1/0 lb comboing him due to the new runes being complete bullshit. I'm acutally amazed that given how hard riot has tried to turn this game into a boring kill minions in lane, aram, kill baron, kill inihibitor, kill nexus game without any viable alternatives, people still cry about someone trying to turn this product being designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator, into a strategy game.

5050BSApr 11, 20192 votes

Signed game play is toxic to the game. Its anti-interactive. He should be completely reworked and made sure that he is not a "I run away from you" champ.

heroikcMar 23, 20191 votes

Gnar is more likely to stay and fight and not run around like a headless chicken.

OleandervineApr 8, 20191 votes

Singed's kit is also pretty antiquated, and despite the few QOL changes he's gotten over the years, it's not really up to par, and thus will suffer in the face of modern kits. I mean, after all, his entire gimmick is pretty much proxy farming to be any kind of relevant, so it's not any wonder that he's finally being run over and left in the dust by modern designs.

He could really use a new W and a new R, possibly even a new passive to really modernize his kit.