Can we not nerf Gunblade because of Leblanc
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
can we just nerf leblanc more and declare the rework a failure
thanks
can we just nerf leblanc more and declare the rework a failure
thanks
Most of the reworks were failures. Poppy, Sion and Galio = ok.
Most of the reworks were failures. Poppy, Sion and Galio = ok.
Galio's a failure in my mind.
Although that may just be because he's overtuned. Seriously, who thought making another Gragas E was a good idea? That Galio E ties it for worst hitbox.
it's a worse gragas E though. Wind up time, can't go through walls.... The only upside is it goes through minions.
Going through minions is AN HUGE UPSIDE, especially in lane. Imagine if Lee's Q could go through minions.
Imagine if Galio had % max hp on his dash and or it's cd was lowered if it hit a target.
Hey, don't bring Fiora into this argument! https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/577309793104175104/y2jIo9dq.png
can we just nerf leblanc more and declare the rework a failure
thanks
Can we just revert the rework? I feel like she was actually healthier before it
Can we just revert the rework and get rid of this abomination?
Thanks
And old LB wasn't an abomination?
I say we just delete the champion and never speak of her again.
"All in favor of removing Leblanc, say ay-
Half the Galaxy: Aye!!
Then Riot wouldn't remove LB because you don't have a majority. GGEZ /s
Always the same just cry babies who don't know how to build MR and no feed early. She had tons of weaknesses pre rework. (No wave clear, all single target dmg). Everyone just saw her burst an out of place squishy and they said OP. Like evrery other champion she had counters. She wouldn't even do well in the meta of wave clear burst mages.
You need 4/5 of the Galaxy to say aye
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Last time someone compromised on 3/5, it didn't go so well.
Pretty late but can you explain plz.
Oh, silly me, why did I think about something different?
Because our school system is retarded?
*shrug
She's always been a problem child. Who knew a hyper mobile assassin would be a balance problem.
And old LB wasn't an abomination?
I say we just delete the champion and never speak of her again.
old lb was a nuke. she was easier to deal with in a sense. not in lane exactly. old lb in lane had twice the kill threat as she could 100-0 you before level 6 back then. however. she couldn't waveclear until she got an item and put few points in her W.
Gunblade is really good on a lot of champions that its not meant to be used on. Mainly any champion with a dash. Its really good because you can use the item while dashing, however you cant use other abilities, this maximizes dps.
Champion that was gutted to be a waveclear bot suddenly starts breaking the game abusing specific items?
Golly, who could have seen that coming
Actually overall her waveclear got nerfed despite what Riot said
My Cs numbers went down. All good le blanc players cs numbers went down
She cant really clear all that effectivly specially until there are 5 points IN q. And even then her waveclear potentional is gated to distortion 18 sec cooldown
As one of the best le bl players in the world i avoid picking her in fast pushers farmers
I was really meaning more that her burst was gimped pretty hard so shes kinda reliant on being a waveclear bot - albeit a bad one.
I'm just waiting for the inevitable tank LeBlanc which will cause mass suicide and people crying that she's OP, when it was the stupid W damage nerf that put here in that position
Just make her Q bounce not count as single target healing so omnivamp doesn't heal her for half her hp per minion wave
Yeah, I don't want any indirect Morde nerfs.
"We felt Malicious Metal wasn't making enough threads about Morde so we nerfed Gunblade. -5 AP"
Gunblade has been a fairly common item in my
build.
I really hope it doesn't get nerfed again ..... it is already one of the most expensive items in the game and very subpar for non hybrids. I admit that it's a bit too good for hybrids, but that's the whole point of the item, to be more efficient for people that can use both sides of the item (AP and AD).
WTF would be the point of nerfing it because of Leblanc? I really hope Riot doesn't go this route.
The real reason le bl is not dead yet: Her clone can proc sheen lichbane and hextech revolver
Gunblade just happends to build out of revolver
This is top 50 world le bl speaking (lolskill) - also self proclaimed number 1 le bl mikly way but yeah..
Protobelt is even better.. because with lich and proto you ll have as much cdr as nomicon And given that her current maxxing is Q>E>W helps not having w cooldown so high. Also its cheaper and you dont care about AD and lifesteal which are strictly wasted stats
**Revolver is her core atm. ** Gunblade does have 1% higher winrate then the other 2 revolver upogrades on le bl. But that doesnt mean anything because what it comes down to if le bl can afford gunblade over other hextech items she has a really massive lead since gunblade costs the most Same phenomen happens everywhere in league
Nerfing gunblade ll not influence le bl at all It would just nerf Jax/Kata/akali
Having said that she is at** 40% winrate globaly Lets keep nerfing her **
So yeah if any item should be worried its sheen lich or revolver
Or you know they could just fix the bug.. tbh the bug is only thing keeping her alive and she is actually quite balanced atm so I wouldnt encourage that unless they want to revert the w gutting and find the other way to nerf her
The reason this build functions and is more viable than protobelt is because this enables her to split push very well. She has sustain, the raw AD helps her take towers, and she can 1v1 with the gunblade active up.
Her global clone can cause a bit of disruption because of the threat she can pose to a lane.
Protobelt doesn't offer this for her.
That said, gunblade and lichbane builds have the potential to be strong on anyone, not just LB. It works well on her in sustain because of her passive giving her single target healing even through bounces, but that is far from the only reason. The two items have a strong split push synergy and good build paths.
False in so many ways
Protobelt helps her clear waves faster which helps in pushing if you wish to use proto that way The dmg you do to towers is determined by one (And only one) of 2 things. Its either 40% from ap (Might not be 40% exactly dont remember the number its around 40% tho) _Edit its 50% Of ap _
Given that 40% of ap ll always be higher then that 40 ad gunblade gives gunblade LL NEVER FKING EVER help her even 1% in destroying tower faster
Bassicly Early into game base ad hurts towers. Later in the game roughly 40% of ap helps you hurt towers on Ap champs
What however ll help her split is lichbane And using 2 autos from a clone buts thats beside a point
**If you have revolver and back with 2350 gold. Yeah then gunblade is the best choise since then you can afford entire gunblade without stupid cutlass. and thats why gunblade has 1% bigger winrate then other hextech items le bl (btw 1% is not even alot fpr a strictly more expensive item..) Because once lebl builds gunblade she is backing with so much gold her team has mostikely taken bunch of towers and she has massive lead **
Else other hextech items outclass gunblade on le bl. So calling gunblade a problem makes me giggle... XD seriously it does
Idk why you think having a lifesteal And AD is a "good build path"
Faker is Building hextech glp over gunblade I am strictly better then faker on le bl (Could go in detail on this he is amater le bl as far as I am concerned ) and I am building protobelt
What le bl builds out of revolver doesnt matter much
Yeah gunblade isn't an issue but really? The most effective way to play Leblanc is through autoing and an ad/at hybrid item ? she is an assassin. She kills people. Why can't riot see that and revert the rework. Is riot happy in the way they have taken this champ ? She was so much better to play pre rework. Please revert
It would be awesome if there was actually a post here, rather than just a title.
Thanks in advance.
Think about the fact that a mage/AP assassin with literally No AD scaling outside of autos is buying this item.
A gunblade nerf would be great, since its going to hurt katarina aswell.
Then champs like
and any other gunblade users would be affected.
Akali can take that nerf aswell. And morde is not being played anyway.
Akali isn't OP at the moment though. She's at around a 50% winrate, with a low playrate meaning she isn't strong and only her mains tend to do well with her. And while Morde isn't a popular pick, you're practically telling his dedicated players to fuck off and learn another champion with your want for a gunblade nerf. Just because say LB is abusing Gunblade, doesn't mean gunblade itself needs a nerf.
What Gunblade nerf? And if Riot nerfs Gunblade, who else would adversely effect? Kat?
would get hit if Riot nerfed Gunblade.
It depends on what they nerf. That said, what is the nerf? I haven't seen anything about it?
Pro players are using Gunblade on Leblanc. OP is asking Riot to not nerf Gunblade because of Leblanc. There are no nerfs (yet), but OP is expecting it to happen.
What? Gunblade leblanc? ???
Basically, after her recent nerfs, a new build was discovered for her, in which Gunblade is core. I believe how it works is that you can W the minion wave to apply your passive, then Q to clear the entire wave, and because your passive and Q both count as single-target, Gunblade heals you a shit ton.
its pretty meta.
Her Q is a single target ability even when it affects multiple enemies - if you W-Q a wave at level 9, you end up getting around 500 hp back. Its less burst than Morello, but the damage from the active is more than worth it since LB is no longer super bursty anyway. It gives her sustain cause she needs to wait for her E's second half to proc, and the slow makes it pretty easy to land the chain.
Add in the fact that people also like to augment her low upfront burst with Lich Bane. Its kinda what made AD Leblanc popular - her base AD is decent (pretty good for a mage), so the lich bane procs give you more damage. It gives you a splitpushing and kiting type of LB.
... Its less burst than Morello, but the damage from the active is more than worth it...
This one annoys me a bit. It’s a somewhat common error, but Gunblade is not a sacrifice in terms of burst when compared to something like Morello. The active is specifically part of what the item adds to the equation.
The highest I can get a single rotation all-in burst from Leblanc to show on AP ratio’s is 3.4AP. The difference in AP from Gunblade to Morello is 20. That’s 68 more damage from the rest of her kit.
Gunblade will add 40 damage if you get a single auto in.
The active ranges from 175 – 250 base damage.
And the .3AP ratio added on is 24 damage from the AP built in to Gunblade alone, not counting anything from runes/masteries/dorans/anything else.
So for a full rotation all in, that’s at least 239, or a minimum of 171 damage in favor of Gunblade. That advantage only increases.
The weakness of using Gunblade instead of Morello isn’t burst. It is, oddly enough, sustained output. The active is on a 40 second cooldown, it has no CDR, and it doesn’t have either of Morello’s two mana sources. It's just that it's defined by having a health sustain passive, which makes it sound weird to say its weaker on sustained output.
Gunblade’s easily a contender for one of the games top sources of single item burst padding. Varying kits, values of penetration, and reliability of the other Hextech skillshots makes that complicated, but Gunblade's up there.