It's time to address how weak Ziggs is now.

The Bearded Bard··7 votes·1,320 views

Before reading this, if you're here just to tell me Ziggs is getting buffs on the PBE: 1. They were reverted. and 2. They didn't address his problem in the first place. He doesn't need more damage, he needs more reliable damage. See the end for my suggestions.


At one point, he was my most played and by far my favorite, but I just can't keep up the delusion that he's a good champion no matter how hard I try. He just isn't.

Passive: You have to get in dangerously close range to use it, which completely contradicts the rest of his kit. Sure it can be used on towers, but how lame of a passive is that? 'Every 12 seconds you do a little more damage to towers.' Very exciting. And since I know it's going to happen, I'm going to go ahead and deal with the Lux comparison. Lux's can be applied to multiple targets, including minions so it can be used to farm. Not only that, it's applied with her spells, not her autoattacks, and can be triggered by her ult, again, on potentially multiple targets. She also has a two second snare, so she's able to keep a melee target with a gap closer subdued long enough for her to get at least one auto off while still being safe.

Q: Great spell if your opponent is limited to only moving in one direction or only stands near minions, otherwise it's damn near impossible to hit.

W: No complaints on this one.

E: Great for zoning, but that's about it. Too much mana to use for wave clear, too inconsistent to use for damage.

R: Similar to his Q, this ability is really great if the enemy team is incapable of moving when Ziggs tries to use it. As that's rarely the case, this ultimate is absolute ass. At full range, you have a whopping three and a half seconds to get out of the way. At point blank, you've got TWO FULL SECONDS to get out of the area. On top of that, the damage outside of the relatively small epicenter is significantly less. Despite all of this, it has a huge cooldown at all ranks, 120 seconds. There's absolutely no reason the cd of this ability shouldn't go down with ranks as it used to.


The nerfs that killed him:

Mega Inferno Bomb cd changed from 120/105/90 seconds to 120 at all ranks.

Ziggs's Q explosion detection radius reduced to 150 from 180.

Ziggs's movement speed reduced by 5, and his range reduced by 25.

Honestly if you just revert the CD nerf on his ult and either the Q explosion radius or the ms/range nerfs he'll be fine. He doesn't need more damage, he needs more reliable damage.

18 Comments

Gigahappytown3 votes

Ziggs is kind of ment to do unreliable damage

the thing is that when he actually hits his damage its not worth how unreliable it is.

The Bearded Bard2 votes

Agreed. Especially the ult. Too high of a cd, too low of a reward.

Meep Man1 votes

They need to change Ziggs' Q hit radius to be the same as it's AoE Radius or find somewhere in the middle. Its so annoying to watch it be right beside someone that would have been hit if it exploded and watch it bounce by.

Profirix1 votes

THIS^ Damage is not worth how unreliable it is. It has received a few nerfs in the past too.

Professor Ward2 votes

i wholeheartedly agree, my diamond duo who main'd ziggs for years has recently stopped due to not being able to carry mid as easily as other champs

The Bearded Bard1 votes

I was in the same boat. I wasn't diamond or anything good, but I could always consistently do well with Ziggs, even to the point where the enemy team would compliment me on it. Now no matter how well I do, it still feels shitty to play him.

Poske2 votes

This is how I would buff him

Q radius increased BACK TO 180 (even at 180 it can bounce over champions ) Autoattack animation is now easier to cancel/it is faster. Because landing that passive basic attack without getting poked is impossible his auto attack locks him down in one place for to long

Thats it

The Bearded Bard1 votes

Pretty much same, though I'd like a shorter cooldown on the ult at later ranks. As of now, 120 is just too long of a wait. Even if it just went down 10 seconds per level I'd be okay with it.

TheChaoticSwede1 votes

Ziggs is in a completely perfect position right now for what he's meant to do. He's the definition of a seige champion and a poke laner.

I don't know how you're playing Ziggs but all you need to do is buy Chalice asap and before laning phase is over and you're pretty much able to poke down everyone who doesn't have a blink. Laning against him is one of the most obnoxious things in the game because of it. Hiemerdinger and Annie are the only other two who I think are universally just as annoying.

Combine this with the fact that with the Preseason 6 changes making it so much easier and sooner to seige and Ziggs really does nothing but benefit from the situation. The only downside to him is that if he gets beaten in lane he's useless for most of the game unless the game drags out into really late game...which is perfectly balanced when you consider the fact that if he just simply farms he'll still have more team presence and siege ability than 90% of the champion in the game. He doesn't even need to win his lane. He just needs to tie it.

No...Ziggs doesn't really need buffs right now....nor does he need nerfs though. He's perfect as is imho.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

My problem is his shit is too easy dodge. No amount of skill with Q is going to stop the fact that it's so incredibly easy to dodge. Same with ult. I'm fine with ult being as hard as it is to hit now, what I'm not fine with is it having a huge cooldown on top of that.

Revert the Q explosion radius and the ult cd nerfs and I'll be 100% fine with him.

Poske1 votes

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Ziggs is in a completely perfect position right now for what he's meant to do. He's the definition of a seige champion and a poke laner.

I don't know how you're playing Ziggs but all you need to do is buy Chalice asap and before laning phase is over and you're pretty much able to poke down everyone who doesn't have a blink. Laning against him is one of the most obnoxious things in the game because of it. Hiemerdinger and Annie are the only other two who I think are universally just as annoying.

Combine this with the fact that with the Preseason 6 changes making it so much easier and sooner to seige and Ziggs really does nothing but benefit from the situation. The only downside to him is that if he gets beaten in lane he's useless for most of the game unless the game drags out into really late game...which is perfectly balanced when you consider the fact that if he just simply farms he'll still have more team presence and siege ability than 90% of the champion in the game. He doesn't even need to win his lane. He just needs to tie it.

No...Ziggs doesn't really need buffs right now....nor does he need nerfs though. He's perfect as is imho.

Ziggs main breaking in

Ziggs is in horrible spot right now Xerath poke is 3-4 times more potent **LITERALY FA KING 3-4 times more potent **

Snowball actually doesnt help ziggs. He is not a lane bully whether you believe me or not he is lategame champion. And he cannot stall in this season well

If I though ziggs were viable champion I would definetly pick him in ranked. But he is to painful to play In order to kill average midlaner you have to hit them With following 2 passives 2 q half of e atleast 1 r 1 w

You have to hit all of this to 100>0 a mage you are fighting

This compared to most of midlaners is funny

Basicly ziggs needs full ability rotation another q + passive to kill someone

Mordepool1 votes

If you read the PBE notes he's getting buffed. Read the PBE notes

The Bearded Bard1 votes

The buffs on PBE don't address the problem, plus they're PBE. Not exactly ironclad. The problem is his Q is the easiest nonult ability to dodge in the game, and his ult is the easiest ability in the game to dodge. Revert the Q explosion radius nerf, revert the ult cd nerf. He doesn't need more damage, he needs more reliable damage.

hi hi its zy zy1 votes

He's really not weak at all right now but they're giving him buffs anyway so I'm not quite sure what the point of this thread was? Unless you missed that. It's on the PBE somewhere, they made his ult do a LOT more damage to blast zone targets + made his passive even better for siege

IAMS4T4N1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tits Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B2qhiELw,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-01T22:22:01.187+0000)

He's really not weak at all right now but they're giving him buffs anyway so I'm not quite sure what the point of this thread was? Unless you missed that. It's on the PBE somewhere, they made his ult do a LOT more damage to blast zone targets + made his passive even better for siege

they reverted the buffs on the pbe

hi hi its zy zy1 votes

Where? o.o I don't see it

IAMS4T4N1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tits Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B2qhiELw,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-12-01T22:31:20.625+0000)

Where? o.o I don't see it

Ziggs Mega Inferno Bomb (R) [Damage, AP ratio, and damage % to enemies further away from middle changes all reverted.] http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/12/121-pbe-update.html

The Bearded Bard1 votes

PBE buffs were reverted, and they didn't address the problem. He doesn't need more damage, he needs more reliable damage.

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