Conqueror nerf, Chilling smite + challenging smite, and ignite nerf announced

D357R0Y3R·Jan 8, 2019·25 votes·14,230 views

https://twitter.com/RiotMapleNectar/status/1082469961941958657

89 Comments

MarshbouyJan 8, 201940 votes

"on the table" is a bit too wishy washy for me to get my hopes up

Dr DogJan 8, 201913 votes

i get challenging smite because it needs a nerf but i dont think ive ever seen someone have an issue with chilling really, also thank god finally ignite is getting something done with it

MarshbouyJan 8, 201918 votes

I don't think chilling smite needs the damage it does though. 22-160, while a small number, is still significant. The focus of the ability should be on the utility it gives. The damage is not needed.

edit: tHe DaMAgE Is InSiGnIfiCanT

HügöJan 8, 20193 votes

I don't know, chilling smite will never win you a fight. The only time it is viable to use for it's damage is when you know you can disrespect smite kill someone.

MarshbouyJan 8, 20193 votes

but it doesn't need to exist either. There is no reason for chilling smite to double as a damaging spell against enemies. It is pointless damage.

MeritasJan 8, 20192 votes

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I don't think chilling smite needs the damage it does though. 22-160, while a small number, is still significant. The focus of the ability should be on the utility it gives. The damage is not needed.

Yeah, better slow, less damage.

AseraanJan 9, 20191 votes

Why cuz ppl have issues whit challenging smite? RLY? Ignite deals up to 550 true damageXD and challenging smite is an issue?

Dr DogJan 9, 20192 votes

shhh you cant point out that ignite is broken, you'll get downvotes

Moody PJan 8, 201911 votes

Nerfing the rune that saved league from the tank menace smh

D357R0Y3RJan 8, 201915 votes

maybe they can nerf grasp afterwards?

RagnaveilJan 8, 20192 votes

What is it about Grasp that is so strong?

ZackTheWaffleManJan 8, 20192 votes

Poppy can abuse it because she can apply the melee affects with a ranged attack

RalanrJan 8, 20194 votes

As can GP. These two can’t be the only reason people say it’s broken.

VolatileAkaliJan 9, 20191 votes

Thought it's stupid that Ranged champion can use it well. It should've been a Melee only rune IMO.

RalanrJan 9, 20191 votes

Facepalm

Those abilities count as Melee for on hit effects on those champions.

VolatileAkaliJan 10, 20191 votes

That's why we're fucked if we ever wanna stop them from abusing it.

Lil Homie bustaJan 8, 20193 votes

What about nerfing every damage keystone? Sounds about right to me.

Sneaky JewJan 8, 20196 votes

grasp is trash. notice how the only champs who use it over conqueror are those that can abuse it Gangplank Fiora Gnar Poppy and those that have no literally no other keystone Urgot Shen DrMundo . Everyone else will always take either Conqueror or Aftershock. in a rare tank vs tank matchup, you may see grasp vs grasp. but you will mostly see a tank counterpicked by a marksman, mage or conq user.

RexxieeJan 8, 201922 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B0ftndEj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-08T15:00:58.835+0000)

Nerfing the rune that saved league from the tank menace smh

What? You dont like grasp poppy doing 50% of your health in a trade while taking no damage?

Moody PJan 8, 201915 votes

Implying poppy babies could ever defeat Chad illaoi

LhuhzJan 8, 20197 votes

Illaoy is the most Chad toplaner champ, we can all agree on that.

SaltyCauseBadJan 9, 20192 votes

Laughs in Darius

The thigh guyJan 8, 20197 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B0ftndEj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-08T15:00:58.835+0000)

Nerfing the rune that saved league from the tank menace smh

And replaced that gaping hole with even bigger assholes? Now they just pick bruisers and still retain that tank while one hitting squishies.

Lil Homie bustaJan 8, 20195 votes

Jax Riven Jax Riven Jax Riven Jax Riven

SaltyCauseBadJan 9, 20193 votes

Jax Jax Jax Jax Jax Jax Jax Jax Jax Jax

KmSneakyJan 8, 20197 votes

Jax I don't Darius see Tryndamere what Fiora you're Irelia talking Riven about. Renekton

Daddy AntsJan 8, 20193 votes

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I don't see what you're talking about.

Renekton uses Press the Attack.

RagnaveilJan 9, 20191 votes

Well, can use. Conqueror is still arguably better for Ren since he's able to refresh the buff when using the ER build.

RexxieeJan 8, 201910 votes

They need to remove empowered smites.

Junglers get to impact the whole map in the early game, they do not need their objective control spell to double down as a combat spell, its too strong.

ContDeCaterinca1Jan 8, 20199 votes

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They need to remove empowered smites.

Junglers get to impact the whole map in the early game, they do not need their objective control spell to double down as a combat spell, its too strong.

You are investing money in an item just because you need it to farm the jungle, while everything laners buy helps at fighting in a way.

FOR JUSTICEJan 8, 20194 votes

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They need to remove empowered smites.

Junglers get to impact the whole map in the early game, they do not need their objective control spell to double down as a combat spell, its too strong.

I think its to compensate for the fact that theyre forced to take it in order to jungle. Its even more required then flash for a jungler.

PB4UAMEJan 8, 20194 votes

This wasn't the case just a few years ago, and honestly, the jungle has been noticibly overpowered and far more impactful for the last 3 years (since season 5) than its supposed to be. Reverting smite back to being an objective securing tool (and still the strongest summoner spell in game as such) alone, instead of a free gank assists and CC and damage and objective securing tool just might be a step in the right direction. Especially so if they are gutting other forms of passive and free damage they've added in the last 3 years as well, which they are going out of their way to at least sound like they are considering.

Bears Dont CareJan 8, 20193 votes

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They need to remove empowered smites.

Junglers get to impact the whole map in the early game, they do not need their objective control spell to double down as a combat spell, its too strong.

They are the only role which has no flexibility in terms of its summoner spells. It is an absolute necessity since they have no access to any other summoner spell.

Daddy AntsJan 8, 20197 votes

"on the table"

That means they are considering it.

It's not a definite yes or no.

RagnaveilJan 8, 20196 votes

They should do it. Conqueror's current stats invalidates an entire toplane class from being able to exist.

VolatileAkaliJan 9, 20191 votes

Plus Akali can use it, and boy am I having fun with this Rune + a new build that I can abuse since her Burst is trash.

RagnaveilJan 9, 20191 votes

I've never really seen an Akali use it, but people forget this: Nerf Conqueror, you nerf these problematic champs directly from it: Darius MasterYi Tryndamere Yasuo Irelia Draven Jax

VolatileAkaliJan 10, 20191 votes

There is a build going around the Akali SubReddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/akalimains/comments/adoo5l/if_you_cant_beat_them_join_them/

I'm experimenting on it, since going full AP is shit when you can't burst fast enough.

RagnaveilJan 10, 20191 votes

Well shit. I'm guessing the build allows you to achieve old aatrox wet dream level of healing from what I can tell.

VolatileAkaliJan 10, 20191 votes

Yeah, she plays better top as a more of an AD semi-glass canon, than an AP assassin. It's not our fault that Riot turned her like this, we're just trying to win, because of how terrible her AP assassin play style is.

And yes it does allow to achieve the wet dream. :))

RagnaveilJan 10, 20191 votes

Well, count me in considering idk what they are planning on doing to Aatrox (Last thing I need is him getting hit with one "small" nerf and it kills the champ outright like one nerf did to his previous incarnation)

VolatileAkaliJan 11, 20191 votes

Yeah, if they don't fix her, a lot of Akali mans are gonna quit, I already noticed 6 on my friend list who didn't log in for months.

RagnaveilJan 11, 20191 votes

Well, they wont be alone, they will be with all the former mains of champs that haven't had shit fixed.

VolatileAkaliJan 11, 20191 votes

Riot the incompetent company, LuL.

RagnaveilJan 11, 20191 votes

I feel like Ghostcrawler kinda etched a terrible balance team. Meddler is alright, but none of us have a clue if these guys have an actual toplaner on live design or the balance team.

VolatileAkaliJan 12, 20191 votes

I never said this, Ubisoft is the best company right now that balances their competitive game, and Bungie (Who just became an independent studio + They have publishing rights to the Destiny franchise) are better at monetizing cosmetics than Riot.

Dota 2 is also better at monetizing cosmetics than LoL, sad that one of the largest games ever in history, is getting beaten by it's competitor in fucking monetization and it's getting beaten by another game in balancing.

AseraanJan 11, 20191 votes

I dont even use conq on yi jax...use lethal tampon mostly. Im all about speedXD

MonstermushmushJan 8, 20196 votes

Why is chilling smite getting nerfed? I don't feel that it's very strong, at least compared to challenging smite.

Fízz v2Jan 8, 20196 votes

inb4 Riot nerfs a bunch of offense like ignite and doesnt change anything about mage vs assassin viability mid lane hehexd

Free RollJan 9, 20192 votes

All long overdue. As an ADC i get like 1800 hp ignite does 430 lulz, and for the rest not sure when it became okay for junglers to win by default every 1 v 1 fight cuz "smite"