I mean I get that ap champions receive 
as defensive items, despite most just using rylais for the passive. But ad champions can stack 
and then proceed to build their actual damage items that also can stack health 
,
. I understand that ad has to defend against ap, but id really prefer for ad champion with double my health to do more damage than me :^)
Dynikus2 voteswhy are you considering an AD item?
by that same logic, 
is an AP item.
And AP is a lot more plentiful than AD is.
Succubús GF1 votesSorry my wording is a bit off, but I meant like ad champions can build it easier and it works as anti ap.
Dynikus1 voteswhy is it any easier for an AD champion to build banshees than it is for an AP champion to build frozen heart?
Elindiir1 votesyou mean 
fuffychan1 votesIve been making threads saying this ever since 
was released years ago. Mages have always been trying to play catch up ever since.
AP champions must start with a mana item while AD champs can start with items that give both damage AND defense. Like how is this allowed?
MrHaZeYo1 votesRight?
alfavhunter1 votesthe problem isnt so much to much mr ad items, its not enough ap armor items
i mean and 
(a support item) are the only ap armor options while ad mr options are out there with , , and .
sure there are ad hp items as well ad ap hp items, but the problem is ap armor items are MUCH more limited AND one of the 'ad mr' items also provides lethality (armor pen)
i feel an ap, spell pen, armor item that has a AA block mechanic similar to shen active would be appropriate
example build
Arch-mages ArmGuards
+
+ 1000g =3050g item
gives 80 AP, 50 armor, 15 spell pen Magic trick-active- your next damaging spell causes the first enemy champion hit to be unable to AA the champion (he can still AA others) for 1 second, if this effect hits multiple champions the incapacitate of AAs is split between all enemy champions hit (if you hit 5 enemy champions with this effect they all cannot AA the champion for .2 seconds)
this can be done coding wise by simply making the AA range read the user of the item as out of range with an exception clause to the coding that makes the effected champions see the items user as +10000 range away from them for that 1-.2 second while keeping ability range effects still in effect (i do not know if this will work it depends on if abilitys are coding in range differently than AAs, last i checked they did have some differences)
Sett up 4my gank1 votesthe problem isnt so much to much mr ad items, its not enough ap armor items
i mean
sure there are ad hp items as well ad ap hp items, but the problem is ap armor items are MUCH more limited AND one of the 'ad mr' items also provides lethality (armor pen)
i feel an ap, spell pen, armor item that has a AA block mechanic similar to shen active would be appropriate
example build
Arch-mages ArmGuards
gives 80 AP, 50 armor, 15 spell pen Magic trick-active- your next damaging spell causes the first enemy champion hit to be unable to AA the champion (he can still AA others) for 1 second, if this effect hits multiple champions the incapacitate of AAs is split between all enemy champions hit (if you hit 5 enemy champions with this effect they all cannot AA the champion for .2 seconds)
this can be done coding wise by simply making the AA range read the user of the item as out of range with an exception clause to the coding that makes the effected champions see the items user as +10000 range away from them for that 1-.2 second while keeping ability range effects still in effect (i do not know if this will work it depends on if abilitys are coding in range differently than AAs, last i checked they did have some differences)
The biggest reason behind this is because champions only get around 30 MR base, while champions get between 30-90 armor base at level 18, There has to be more MR items centered around damage dealers to make up for that difference.
alfavhunter1 votesThe biggest reason behind this is because champions only get around 30 MR base, while champions get between 30-90 armor base at level 18, There has to be more MR items centered around damage dealers to make up for that difference.
true however when 1 of those ad mr items also gives lethality (armor pen) it created an inbalance as now instead of 2 good ad mr items there are now 3 and the 3rd directly works at countering the mages ap armor item with its lethality, on top of it providing an extremely strong active effect vs mages
case and point the introduction of is what threough the balance of these to ad+MR and ap+armor off, now before lethality wasnt quite as strong so the issue was lessend due to this, but now that lethality got a decent buff putting it into a strong place... its thrown this issue into the spotlight of item inbalance between mages and ad users
the issue with this item is it gives ad, mr, and a direct bypass of armor on mages (who typically only buy 1 armor item due to no other options) which effectively makes it as if that armor was never bought for the mage
add on the active of the item that can cut a mages damage in half depending on the mage or even remove their survival utility from the equation and you see the issue here, not only does this item remove the effeciveness of counterbuilding but it also makes counterplaying MUCH harder, and this is only looking at the survival of the mage side, add in the fact it also makes the ad more durable to the mage and this item is discustingly unbalanced
it gives to much of an 'ad>mage' power to a single item, by giving so much safety to the ad, and a very strong offensive bonus as well with 60 bonus ad and the lethality making it closer to 65-70 bonus ad from armor ignore effects, let alone being able to use the active effect to skip the mages survival mechanics or his damage, then add in that it also can be used to counter support CC, whcih isnt ment to daamge at all and it becomes hugely unbalanced
they either need to make another ap armor item that gives a strong active effect and some spell pen, or they need to make not stop CC from spells, and just negate the damage OR only stop the CC and not negate the damage, it has to much power invested into it as a single item and is what caused the imbalance between the ad/mr to ap/arm items
the fact is edge of night just does to much