Duo Jungle Meta Plz. A new poachers knife passive.

Woook3r·Sep 3, 2015·5 votes·775 views

Give us an Item that makes this possible. Something like a duo poachers knife passive. Poachers is useless. Give it something to enable a duo jg solo laners meta. What do you think

18 Comments

MimySep 3, 20152 votes

The main problem I see with this is that someone has to go botlane ALONE..

And Unless they can handle a support and ADC alone... GG down there..

Woook3rSep 3, 20152 votes

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The main problem I see with this is that someone has to go botlane ALONE..

And Unless they can handle a support and ADC alone... GG down there..

Some adc's can do this....draven can farm extremely well under tower. Ezreal is too hard to catch out. I think that the adc could go mid tho...and you can always camp bot lane...

Woook3rSep 3, 20151 votes

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Some adc's can do this....draven can farm extremely well under tower. Ezreal is too hard to catch out. I think that the adc could go mid tho...and you can always camp bot lane...

also can nerf the exp on a duo lane

MimySep 3, 20151 votes

So basically..

A top.
Jungler ADC mid Roaming support or support jungler. Botlane ; tanky bruser (To deal damage but also not be soo squishy?) IDK....

Woook3rSep 3, 20151 votes

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So basically..

A top.
Jungler ADC mid Roaming support or support jungler. Botlane ; tanky bruser (To deal damage but also not be soo squishy?) IDK....

yea. i think it turns the game into less of a group as five and push and into more of a split push roaming game. More 3v2 skirmishes more 3v5 sieges while the side lanes are being pushed. I think it opens up a niche for waveclear tanks who can defend towers while the jg's go split.

IcyPepperSep 3, 20151 votes

Eh.

Supports should be roaming eventually anyway, not babysitting the entire game. Still difficult early, though.

If you can get an experienced adc player, or someone plays something that isn't adc that can handle the adc+support duo (some mages and even assassins can handle this), there's a decent trade-off if both junglers are counterjungling, counterganking, and ganking efficiently.

Valderis VandalaSep 3, 20152 votes

Sounds interesting.

But how overbearing will ganks/map control become?

EDIT: Who would move into the jungle? A Tank ADC combo? Would leave the support alone in lane which would be good for levels and gold gain but fuck with being a true support and make their masteries useless but allow them to be full mages. This all sounds rather weird.

Woook3rSep 3, 20151 votes

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Sounds interesting.

But how overbearing will ganks/map control become?

Id rather have this game be about map awareness and controle than grouping as five and mindlessly pushing.

Valderis VandalaSep 3, 20152 votes

Then you should consider playing dominion. That is more of a game mode issue rather than lane positions.

Woook3rSep 3, 20151 votes

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Then you should consider playing dominion. That is more of a game mode issue rather than lane positions.

YOU should consider playing dominion.

Valderis VandalaSep 3, 20151 votes

I have, its fun.

Woook3rSep 3, 20151 votes

Maybe when two poachers knifes are together they get increased vision radius and when they are separate they get bonus gold from camps. So they can poach together for safety or separately for greatly increased gold. Idk. Duo jg can be made into a viable meta. Do work rito

Spizzle9000Sep 3, 20151 votes

So. How are the buffs divided up? How is the farm divided up? Why would you think that duo lane xp should be nerfed just for one thing that is not even that popular?

It would just open up too many possibilities for toxicity and trolling. And way too much ganking. Plus, junglers are generally a level or two behind their solo lane counter-parts in the first place, so how bad would it be if the jungle had to be divided 4 ways?

If they buffed the xp and gold income for jungling, then people would keep their solo jungle and just abuse the buff to xp and gold.

Woook3rSep 3, 20151 votes

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If they buffed the xp and gold income for jungling, then people would keep their solo jungle and just abuse the buff to xp and gold.

you need a jungle item to get the extra exp and stuff. and the extra resources only apply if there is a duo. There would be a duo jg poachers knife. That item specifically enables duo jg if and only if there are two people with the same item on the same team in the same jg or when in the enemy jg...idk specifically how it would work...but It COULD work and I know that.

ModKnightsKemplarSep 3, 20151 votes

That would be a bad meta. I'm okay with it working in niche scenarios, but trust me, you'll regret it if that becomes meta.

Woook3rSep 3, 20151 votes

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That would be a bad meta. I'm okay with it working in niche scenarios, but trust me, you'll regret it if that becomes meta.

Eventually, mobility is going to be such a big thing that you might need two jgs just to get a good gank and this meta wont be as scary as you think...the support meta has its own downsides too bro...

ModKnightsKemplarSep 3, 20151 votes

A change in the meta that big, at this point in development, is going to turn the entire game on its head.

I'm not surprised to see I didn't convince you in two sentences, but it won't work the other way around, either. I do not want double jung to be the norm. That would be bad news.

Woook3rSep 3, 20151 votes

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A change in the meta that big, at this point in development, is going to turn the entire game on its head.

I'm not surprised to see I didn't convince you in two sentences, but it won't work the other way around, either. I do not want double jung to be the norm. That would be bad news.

I do think it would turn the entire game on its head. I think thats a good thing because adc's are gimped by the overt dominance of the support meta.

Also, i notice that it is hard to balance adcs bc they are supposed to have a weak early game, yet a support like soraka can entirely negate that weakness and allow them to farm to late game. Not that I think that there shouldnt be support characters or support meta teamcomps. I just notice that a lot of balance decisions around bot lane tend to lead to the current status quo. Yes, I know it isnt that black and white, but whatever problem you point out as an issue with duo jg meta, there is probably a small change to be made that mitigates that problem.

Increased ward durations Mandrake Wards Increased Movespeeds Decreased Flash Cooldowns Nerf Duo Exp and Increase EXP Radius (drastically increase the cost of continuous camping)

How on earth do you think you can just assume that this meta would be a bad one? Have you ever seen it live? Im pretty sure you are worried about camping...but nerfing exp in duo lanes can really mitigate that and go a long way toward disrupting duo bot meta.