PSA: Morganas W(soil) Is extremely costly, And i Dont see Her "Spamming" it in lane

Professor Ward·Dec 7, 2017·20 votes·1,092 views

As someone who used to main morgana, a key to playing her effectively** is not burning her w**

It costs 70mana(increased by 15perlevel) at level 1, and 120 mana at level 2 for a q/w combo

For A champion that has around 400 mana at level 2, you are limited severly in your W spam, so please dont think that morgana is going to be able to come to lane and harass you with constant soils, she doesnt have the mana for it.

19 Comments

PennsDec 7, 201711 votes

Implying mana matters when u have lost chapter lel

Tarquin96Dec 7, 20177 votes

didnt know you start the game wtih 900 gold,updated this patch or something?

PennsDec 7, 20177 votes

Who is OP responding to then tho? I dont think anyone said "Morgana walks to lane at level 1 and spams W"

Professor WardDec 8, 20172 votes

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Who is OP responding to then tho? I dont think anyone said "Morgana walks to lane at level 1 and spams W"

Nobody said anything about level 1 spam, you dont even really stay lvl1 long enough to spam anything.

And ive actually never heard talks about morgana that didnt include something along the lines of "spam w and afk farm".

PennsDec 8, 20171 votes

Because with 3-4 points in W or something she just puts 1 W and walks away/maybe auto attacks melee minions a bit. At that point she is gonna be level 5-7 and mana shouldnt bmatter too much anymore.

AirKingNeoDec 7, 20173 votes

Implying mana matters when u have Manaflow Band

VerxintDec 7, 20177 votes

Morgana has 384 mana at level 2. Soil costs 70 mana and has a 10 second cooldown. Assuming Morgana has a item 1056 she will have 17.7 mana every 5 seconds, or 3.54 mana per second.

Each creep wave is 30 seconds. She can cast W 3 times, ignoring any potential CD reduction from hitting champions or cannons. That's 210 mana used over 30 seconds. If she gets all 6 CS in the wave, it refunds 24 mana. During that time she also regenerated 106.2 mana. This results in a net loss of 79.8 mana every 30 seconds.

If level 2 lasted forever, she could cast W on the wave on cooldown for 4 minutes and 49 seconds before she ran out of mana. That's more than enough to say she can spam it. Not to mention you effectively gain mana when you level up even without a lost chapter. Furthermore, that time amounts to 9 minion waves, which is enough to purchase a lost chapter and some extra. Now include manaflow band as a possibility.

I really get bothered when people say "look, my combo takes X% of my mana its totally not spammable" and ignore all sources of mana regeneration or recovery.

Professor WardDec 8, 20171 votes

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Morgana has 384 mana at level 2. Soil costs 70 mana and has a 10 second cooldown. Assuming Morgana has a she will have 17.7 mana every 5 seconds, or 3.54 mana per second.

Each creep wave is 30 seconds. She can cast W 3 times, ignoring any potential CD reduction from hitting champions or cannons. That's 210 mana used over 30 seconds. If she gets all 6 CS in the wave, it refunds 24 mana. During that time she also regenerated 106.2 mana. This results in a net loss of 79.8 mana every 30 seconds.

If level 2 lasted forever, she could cast W on the wave on cooldown for 4 minutes and 49 seconds before she ran out of mana. That's more than enough to say she can spam it. Not to mention you effectively gain mana when you level up even without a lost chapter. Furthermore, that time amounts to 9 minion waves, which is enough to purchase a lost chapter and some extra. Now include manaflow band as a possibility.

I really get bothered when people say "look, my combo takes X% of my mana its totally not spammable" and ignore all sources of mana regeneration or recovery.

Well youre ignoring q, and e usage, something that heavily affects her mana return, throw one q in with those numbers and they change drastically, add an e and they drop even further.

youre making a case for a custom game setting that just doesnt happen

VerxintDec 8, 20171 votes

You postulated that she can't spam W in lane. This is false. Don't move the goalposts.

Furthermore, all you have to do to throw a Q every single wave is only W the wave twice, which is still pretty spammy. And again, none of this accounts for the mana you gain from leveling up or the option to have manaflow band. And again, this gives you plenty of time to get a lost chapter before you oom, which basically eliminates mana issues.

SirLapseDec 7, 20175 votes

If you do play her effectively, you can aim to shove out the wave early and force the enemy to lose CS under tower, as many mages don't have the base AD to keep up with the tower and players under a certain elo range (it tends to be nonspecific) don't know how to counter a shove or CS under tower properly using spells.

You won't really be "spamming" it, but you will be using it when the wave gathers so you can max out on your DPS. With Doran's Ring and good CS, you should be getting 24 MP back on perfect CS, not counting regen. Main aim when playing against her is to make her lose all her MP, so it's a pretty predictable play pattern if you've seen her enough.

EedatDec 7, 20173 votes

Mana Flow band plus either Lost Chapter or Catalyst makes mana costs practically obsolete lol

MordepoolDec 7, 20173 votes

You can easily go oom with a lost chapter on Morgana if you spam like a Riven main

DuskDaUmbreonDec 7, 20171 votes

I mean...it's not like a lot of people rush RoA on her when mid...And that, by doing so, I was able to never run out of mana, so long as I actually used my W on the wave...

hhaavviikkDec 7, 20171 votes

exactly which is why I'm surprised people are calling her OP because of this change, if she's OP now it means she already was OP because this change didn't do much for mid morgana

GrReaper96Dec 7, 20171 votes

What changed?

hhaavviikkDec 7, 20172 votes

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What changed?

Base stats MANA REGEN 8.5 per 5 seconds ⇒ 11.5 per 5 seconds MANA REGEN GROWTH STAT 0.8 ⇒ 0.4 Passive - Soul Siphon REMOVEDSPELL VAMP No longer grants 10/15/20% spell vamp NEWDEFINITELY NOT SPELL VAMP Morgana heals for 15/20/25/30/35/40% (at levels 1/4/7/10/13/16) of the damage her abilities deal to champions, large minions, and large monsters W - Tormented Soil NEWFOMENTED TORMENT Tormented Soil's cooldown is now reduced by 5% whenever Passive - Soul Siphon triggers

the extra base mana regen is a nice boost till lvl 10 or so but outside that it shouldn't make much of a difference as spamming W still runs you OOM

GrReaper96Dec 7, 20171 votes

Interesting changes. To be fair even spamming W early game, since it doesnt exactly do much dmg and people tend to prefer to level up Q, means that it wont do much unless the enemy is below 50% health