To clarify why Akali is different (a detailed letter to those who spoke to me yesterday)

PhantomGG··7 votes·1,289 views

Hi, I'm PhantomGG, and this is a open letter, to address to any of those I have failed to properly dress my points with on why Akali is very different from every assassin in this game.

Akali if we are going old school terms, is what you label as an assassin, now here is a list of the majority of the assassins, and sorta assassins.

Ahri Ekko Fizz Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Talon Zed

To keep this list simple I kept it to the laner assassins. Now Akali as we know it is by far the oldest traditional assassin. The only champion who rivals her in age who can somewhat be considered an assassin is Nidalee (yes once upona time this champion was a laner) However let's look at Nidalee for a moment, why is it I had to say "yes once upona time Nidalee was a laner"? Well the answer is simple, the majority of the people reading this knows Nidalee as a jungler. She has essentially for the most part been reworked into being a jungler. But if you look at her toolkit, excluding her spear, it has for the most part remained the same. So why is it, Nidalee, went from laner to jungle? The answer is simple.

-She lacked the tools to help her manage minion waves the same way modern laners do, and her ability to trade with her abilities was becoming awkward to do vs modern laners. (plus riot changing her numbers around didn't help either)

If look at Ahri, Ekko, Kassadin, Katarina, LeBlanc, Talon, Zed, these are all champions you commonly see in mid lane. They are quite good at it to, sure they suffer against some ranged match ups against champs like Syndra or Orianna , but if you are good on one of the champions I listed, you should be able to hold your own, roam get some kills, and come out just fine. However if you re read that list again, there is a champion I did not name.

Fizz Fizz is a champion that Riot has struggled to balance, he lacks ranged abilities, so to compensate that, riot has to put a lot of power in his up close and personal burst. Once he is level six, many mage players see it as a death sentence for either themselves or the teammates down in bot lane. This is once again because he has a lot of power in his up close and personal burst play style. Because of this, riot has struggled to keep him balanced for a long time as a laner. But despite his heavy pros, we still rarely see him in mid lane in both pro and casual play. The reason for this is very simple.

-Not many players can endure (this is a player issue) the annoying harassment from mages. An Ahri, or hell even just a syndra can throw hell upon fizz, the moment he even goes for a single minion. By the time you are level three, you will often be poked out to 75 percent of your health if your lane opponent is any good. However though a good fizz player can fight back, which is why he sits at a modest 50 percent win rate. But however an obvious trend is starting to form here.

-Melees are at a clear advantageous against range, so to make up for that they need either tools to out play the range, or burst to kill the range once they get close.

Akali

Now onto Akali (these stats are directly from league of graphs) Top Akali: 50 percent win rate Mid Akali: 48 percent Jungle Akali: 50 percent

Both top and Jungle Akali are currently out performing. Granted 48 percent win rate is nothing to terrible, but it does fall onto that line where "if it was even 1 percent less than it would be pretty terrible". Why is it Mid Akali is suffering but jungle and top are not? Well the answer is simple, Literally everything pre 6 completely squashes mid Akali. Unlike every assassin on this list who has some reliable form of poke, harassment. To my knowledge Riot is giving Akali a buff in her W to lower the cool down by 2 seconds. I will bluntly as possible say this.

-This won't fix crap

This is like seeing a man bleeding on the side of the road and simply tossing him a towel so he can wipe himself.

Akali is a champion who suffers from what I like to call "wackamole" or "Math check" syndrome. What is a wackamole or a "math check" champion? Well to put in simple numbers, it's a champion that lacks creative ways to out play the enemy champion and wins it's trades or gets kills purely by mathmaticaly being bigger than you. Champions on this list include.

XinZhao MasterYi Mordekaiser Darius . This isn't to say Akali and these 4 champions take no mechanical skill, but it's saying they are champions that heavily rely on a mathmatical advantage to get what they need done, for unlike other champions who have very large toolkits, these champions do not offer that, instead they offer big numbers once they are ahead. This is a common theme that a lot of the older champions suffer with and riot has been trying to adress with major reworks. (And possibly why riot has struggled so much with Ryze but that's another topic for another day)

To put it on a TLDR

Champions with simple kits are complicated to balance, for the only thing to buff and nerf is the damage, buff it slightly, they become over powered, nerf it, they become under powered. The middle ground is almost none existent.

For complicated champions with lot's of utility, often times the answer is nerf the utility not the damage, and often times in nerfing the utility the champion will go down to a soft tame 48-51 percent win rate.

So we have exposed 2 key problems about Akali

1-She lacks range, she also lacks tools that compensate for her lack of range 2-She has zero utility

To put it simple, Riot has even said this themselves, she is a champion with a huge list of problems, and no buff or nerf can fix it, it's a problem that can only be fixed with a rework. She is simply a out dated champion, with a out dated toolkit that is no longer proper for modern day league of legends.

What makes her different from Zed Talon

-They don't need to be level 6 to do things -They have ranged harass to help them survive lane phase -They have combos that can get them kills before they are level six -Once they fall behind, they still have hope to snag a kill or two to get back into the game from how reliable the toolkits they have are. -They can roam very effectively, the entire toolkit doesn't consist of Press R over and over again untill you get a kill

Zed has his W and his R, Talon has his E and his Q, Akali is horribly reliant on her ultimate.

I can go on and on in why she is different, bottom line, she is old, she needs a rework, riot admits this.

And that is my detailed letter to those I spoke to yesterday on Akali and why she is very different from other assassins, in all the worse ways possible.

P.S I didn't even get into detail in why her methods of damage are horribly unhealthy for the game.

37 Comments

Some Noob Dude3 votes

Go look at Professor Akali, there are many ways to ouplay your opponent with her.

The 14th Angel5 votes

not everyone is professor akali dude. i mean. your comparing master tier to bronze

Monotachi4 votes

Plus alot of this videos are on smurfs, not his main. And he spends much more time creating entertaining videos with clickbait titles.

Serika Zero2 votes

He is telling you to watch someone that knows to play akali and see that she can do MORE AND ITS NOT JUST A STAT CHECK.

Also, Akali is considered a "noob champion", "noob stomper", "useless in high elo". Which obviously isn't the case. Most of you are just all screeching that 'omg i don't want to invest time in akali, so she must be trash!!!!!'

And if we go by master tier vs bronze. Who will have more game knowledge? oh yes, the bronze player, right? which is only stuck in bronze because his team mates hold him back, right? but he is actually challenger material, except that tucking team and the enemy must be scripting, right?

That's why most people aren't listening to bronze, silver, gold or even plat players like myself (well, ex plat, probably silver/gold now). Because, even if we made a valid point. If there's someone with more experience and more knowledge on the subject and they are making a counterpoint, the fucking chances are we are wrong on it. That we made a mistake someone in our calculations, that we made a mistake somewhere in our logic, that we miss understood a certain aspect of the game.

Like in the Akali case here. Read what our friend here said:

To put it on a TLDR Champions with simple kits are complicated to balance, for the only thing to buff and nerf is the damage, buff it slightly, they become over powered, nerf it, they become under powered. The middle ground is almost none existent.

Now, let me translate that: Champions with simple kits are complicated to balance. Champions with complicated and/or overloaded kits are easy to balance.

Now, based on your experience in league of legends. Is he right?

Another thing he said:

So we have exposed 2 key problems about Akali 1-She lacks range, she also lacks tools that compensate for her lack of range 2-She has zero utility

both of which, are, obviously false. The first one becomes clear to be false to anyone that played more than 40 games of Akali. And the second one is obviously false to anyone that even bothered to READ HER SKILLS. Invisibility itself is an utility. Speed buff itself is utility. Slow debuff itself is utility. And that's just the obvious part in it.

So, that's why. Most of us will chose to heavily disagree with his points and see those statements as false. Why we do this? Because we play our champion and as his points are wrong and/or false, he won't help us 'improve' at playing with Akali. And those that chose to abide by his analysis are more likely to be killed by Akali. Hence, its more beneficial for us to do that. As for those of you that agree, well, what can I say other than:

Keep making the game easy for us ;) Much appreciated

-Akali mains

PhantomGG2 votes

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He is telling you to watch someone that knows to play akali and see that she can do MORE AND ITS NOT JUST A STAT CHECK.

Also, Akali is considered a "noob champion", "noob stomper", "useless in high elo". Which obviously isn't the case. Most of you are just all screeching that 'omg i don't want to invest time in akali, so she must be trash!!!!!'

And if we go by master tier vs bronze. Who will have more game knowledge? oh yes, the bronze player, right? which is only stuck in bronze because his team mates hold him back, right? but he is actually challenger material, except that tucking team and the enemy must be scripting, right?

That's why most people aren't listening to bronze, silver, gold or even plat players like myself (well, ex plat, probably silver/gold now). Because, even if we made a valid point. If there's someone with more experience and more knowledge on the subject and they are making a counterpoint, the fucking chances are we are wrong on it. That we made a mistake someone in our calculations, that we made a mistake somewhere in our logic, that we miss understood a certain aspect of the game.

Like in the Akali case here. Read what our friend here said: Champions with simple kits are complicated to balance, for the only thing to buff and nerf is the damage, buff it slightly, they become over powered, nerf it, they become under powered. The middle ground is almost none existent.

Now, let me translate that: Champions with simple kits are complicated to balance. Champions with complicated and/or overloaded kits are easy to balance.

Now, based on your experience in league of legends. Is he right?

Another thing he said: 1-She lacks range, she also lacks tools that compensate for her lack of range 2-She has zero utility

both of which, are, obviously false. The first one becomes clear to be false to anyone that played more than 40 games of Akali. And the second one is obviously false to anyone that even bothered to READ HER SKILLS. Invisibility itself is an utility. Speed buff itself is utility. Slow debuff itself is utility. And that's just the obvious part in it.

So, that's why. Most of us will chose to heavily disagree with his points and see those statements as false. Why we do this? Because we play our champion and as his points are wrong and/or false, he won't help us 'improve' at playing with Akali. And those that chose to abide by his analysis are more likely to be killed by Akali. Hence, its more beneficial for us to do that. As for those of you that agree, well, what can I say other than:

Keep making the game easy for us ;) Much appreciated

-Akali mains

All your doing is making life worse for a champion you love by insisting something toxic and under powered is good lol, seriously wtf is your problem, stop worshiping a guy who only plays on smurfs on his youtube channel with click baite titles,

i'm trying to rescue a champion, your trying to keep it in the damn stone age untill she eventually fades into nothingness, are you trying to turn her into the next urgot/yorick? lol. Ive been trying so hard to ignore you, but you make it so very hard.

I hate to break it to you bub, but the only reason he "mains" akali, is for the youtube views,

In short

It's a gimmick, for if a master tier player "proves" a bad champion is "good" and "creative" then that's a easy gimmick for him to ride off of to fame.

Aka trick2G and UDYR

Serika Zero1 votes

lets start from the beginning then

All your doing is making life worse for a champion you love by insisting something toxic and under powered is good lol

its an opinion, opinion can be different. What's 'toxic' for someone will be healthy for another. Learn to accept different points of view unless they are facts. And here's a fact for you: opinions aren't facts.

stop worshiping a guy who only plays on smurfs on his youtube channel with click baite titles

I'm not worshiping him. I think at most I've watched about 10 of his videos. However, the part that you still haven't understood yet is: do to having a large amount of experience playing a specific champion (regardless what that reason was) and being able to reach high elo (aka: he fucking has good mechanical skills), he is able to show other people how to 'improve' at playing Akali. More exactly, on different ways to use her abilities, on different ways to play with her invisibility, on ways you can play aggressive in lane or not. On how to snowball the lane as Akali or fall flat out. That's helping anyone that plays Akali. You bitching about it does not ;) You lying that she offers nothing to the team, again, does not. If I fall behind with Akali, according to you, i'm useless, might as well alt+f4 and go make me a sandwich. However, again, as a fact, that's not true. So, once more. If you, or anyone else is currently on a 'block' or a 'stop' and can't figure out how to do better with Akali in particular. He is one of the guys I would recommend watching to help your imagination and realize there's more possibilities and outcomes. Which, again, once more, its the opposite to what you are doing here.

You are not helping people 'deal' with Akali. Nor are you helping people 'improve' on Akali. While spreading miss information.

I hate to break it to you bub, but the only reason he "mains" akali, is for the youtube views,

Yes, I hate to break it to you bub, but everyone does most of the things they do for money, their entertainment, their survival or their ego. Again, you seem to be delusional that me or others are 'worshiping' the dude. Sry, its not that, however, he is one of the easiest and more accessible source to help players that are current not able to progress on their Akali and improve.

i'm trying to rescue a champion, your trying to keep it in the damn stone age untill she eventually fades into nothingness

yes jessus-kun, your powers are almighty. Riot will eventually rework Akali, and they won't take any of your feedback (or anyone else's feedback for that matter) into consideration. They didn't give a fuck about any champion mains with their reworks. They did try, like during the mage update, but, sadly, when the champion mains are in the minority. The good suggestions from people that understand the weakness and powers of the hero got buried under a bunch of bullshit.

Once more, you ain't helping shit. Nor do I keep her in the stone age, plus she got changed just like 6 months ago. If that's stone age, the oh dear boy. The likes of Morgana, Kayle, Jax and other shouldn't even exist in the history of this game.

are you trying to turn her into the next urgot/yorick?

people play champions they either sympathize with, or those champions are similar to something else in their life (a movie hero, an anime character, a legend figure, their uncle, etc) so they can relate to it, they find attractive or they idolize/admire that(would like to be similar to that). Those are the main 4 reasons. And if you use your mind, you will realize that the first 2 are similar with each other, likewise for the last two. Akali will never become 'the next urgot', simply because she is portrayed as a young fit girl (attractive to a large male population), a ninja (made cool by movies and animes) and even independent (which might attract some female population).

Contrary to that. Urgot was only played a bit more when he was a pick or ban in lcs. And yorik, lets look at his state post rework: https://na.op.gg/champion/yorick/statistics/top 1% pick rate

Who admires what urgot is? who finds it genuinely attractive? who can sympathize with his situation? what book or movie is there where an important character is similar to him? Likewise for yorik. That's the reason their player base is so low. Unless they will be made OP, their player base will stay low. Their design by default is one that will keep a low population interested. And at least yorik has the part of 'i do this job since its a family business' which might make some people related to it a bit.

The above part is based on psychology. You are welcome to study it if you disagree. Humans in general prefer things they can relate to.

lol. Ive been trying so hard to ignore you, but you make it so very hard.

its ok, you don't have to reply anymore. Tho, I'm only posted twice (3 times with this), only once towards you (this would be the second one) on the topic of Akali. And you 'couldn't ignore me' on just the 2nd post 0.0

It's a gimmick, for if a master tier player "proves" a bad champion is "good" and "creative" then that's a easy gimmick for him to ride off of to fame.

It's a gimmick. For once I can finally agree with you on something. However, is a gimmick a bad thing?

"A gimmick is a novel device or idea designed primarily to attract attention or increase appeal, often with little intrinsic value.[1][2] When applied to retail marketing, it is a unique or quirky feature designed to make a product or service "stand out" from its competitors. Product gimmicks are sometimes considered mere novelties, and tangential to the product's functioning. Gimmicks are occasionally viewed negatively, but some seemingly trivial gimmicks of the past have evolved into useful, permanent features"

"it is a unique or quirky feature designed to make a product or service "stand out" from its competitors"

Isn't that what riot wants? To make champions stand out on their own, to be 'unique' to a degree? To cut some power of the 'generalist' champions? I could swear to god that's why they nerfed and then reworked maokai. I wonder .....

Still, an Akali main (mostly at least), that 'mostly' plays on smurfs. Has, sadly.... managed to get to master tier by playing that mostly Akali. While also fooling on smurfs from time to time, meaning, he wasn't 100% dedicated to that 'lets climb' part.

It means Akali works regardless of elo. Or at least, it can work until you reach masters. Which, for most of us.....that would be our entire time spent in lol (and most likely won't even get to diamond that's like only top 2% of the entire playerbase). Which means, once more. Akali works just fine. Even against meta champions or stronger 'stat sticks' as some people over here love to call em. She's a viable choice, she's good. She is also in a balanced state. 51-52% win ratio with a 3-4% pick ratio. She is strong when ahead, like every other champion in this game. She is weak when behind, like every other champion in this game. To be able to play her good when behind you need to have spend a long time learning and mastering how to play with Akali, just like the majority (not all) champions in this game. To be able to close games, you need teamwork. Just like every other hero in this game. You can't 1v5 or 1v9.

Which brings us to the end. You are not helping people on how to deal with and defeat Akali. You are not helping people that play Akali on how to play her better or close out games. You are not helping the community by bitching around over and over again. You are not 'saving' Akali. Nor are we 'killing' Akali because we accept her with her flaws and her strengths. Akali is by far not perfect, nothing is this game is.

However, me and a lot of other people prefer her in her current state over many other champions. As a proven by her ban ratio. https://na.op.gg/champion/akali/statistics/top Akali Champion Ban Rate Ranking 72nd (0.86%)

Aka trick2G and UDYR

Got no clue how that hero works. Got no clue who trick2g is unless its g2's trick. And got no interest what so ever in udyr.

And as mentioned before. You don't have to bother to reply ;)

Monotachi1 votes

He did not literally say Akali will become Urgot/Yorick. He's talking about gameplay sense, how they were left in the trash for a long time because their gameplay patterns are unhealthy hence why they got VGUs.

Akali is not a popular champion currently in terms of pickrate - this is what players mean by being popular. It is not about the actual attractiveness of the champion itself. This is mainly due to the fact Riot has kept on nerfing Akali over and over again to the point that she is a complete former shadow of herself (over her lifetime, she has become FOTM 3 times so far and has been nerfed very harshly each time this has happened).

Akali has a long history and is in dire need of a VGU to make her great again.

PhantomGG1 votes

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He did not literally say Akali will become Urgot/Yorick. He's talking about gameplay sense, how they were left in the trash for a long time because their gameplay patterns are unhealthy hence why they got VGUs.

Akali is not a popular champion currently in terms of pickrate - this is what players mean by being popular. It is not about the actual attractiveness of the champion itself. This is mainly due to the fact Riot has kept on nerfing Akali over and over again to the point that she is a complete former shadow of herself (over her lifetime, she has become FOTM 3 times so far and has been nerfed very harshly each time this has happened).

Akali has a long history and is in dire need of a VGU to make her great again.

You said you really wanted to see my thoughts on what akali should be, and I said it was going to be a detaield topic, and I have no other way to reach you so i'm just messaging you on here. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/kEPI3FJF-my-thoughts-on-the-eventual-akali-rework-super-detailed-topic

Also I think you are a pretty cool person so you can find me on Discord:https://discord.gg/qq3TkQ Skype:maxwell2543

Monotachi1 votes

Much appreciated, they should add a PM system on the boards just like LoL reddit.

Serika Zero1 votes

akali still has a 4% pick ratio bro. there's like 30-40 champions that are less popular than her and this is another fact

Meanwhile, Urgot and Yorik are both sitting around 1% or less. The comparison isn't even possible.

Or, should I compare something you like with something that's 4 time worse and call it the same? Also, no champion is actually "healthy". The moment anyone is strong people complain about that hero.

Even about fucking Oriana i see complaints. The "toxic kit" argument is useless unless that argument is back-up by a high-ish ban rate. Look, i hate trindamare. I think his kit is toxic due to his ultimate. Yet I'm not bitching around over it, am I?

Because that's just my opinion. And , there are "bigger fish to catch" that rito has to take care of.

ps: im glad you didn't address the point where he is wrong about MULTIPLE things regarding akali. Just makes it easier to see how much what you two post is influenced by your hate for her, rather than objective thinking.

Monotachi1 votes

I am an Akali OTP myself, so no, I don't hate Akali. I know that Akali used to be much stronger than now and would really like her to be back the way she was, not how she is now. She is one of those bigger fish to catch that Riot intends on doing work on, so I don't get why you think Riot won't work on Akali? They have already said numerous times, she is a high priority for a VGU.

I didn't feel the need to address the other points he has made because there was no need to address them to begin with since there are already explanations on how others feel about it. I have no opinion on those points basically, I just read what others have to say.

Are you an Akali OTP yourself? When did you start playing Akali?

Serika Zero1 votes

Regarding your first question: "so I don't get why you think Riot won't work on Akali?"

let me quote what i've said to your friend, the phantom guy

yes jessus-kun, your powers are almighty. Riot will eventually rework Akali, and they won't take any of your feedback (or anyone elses feedback for that matter) into consideration. They didn't give a fuck about any champion mains with their reworks. They did try, like during the mage update, but, sadly, when the champion mains are in the minority. The good suggestions from people that understand the weakness and powers of the hero got buried under a bunch of bullshit. Once more, you ain't helping shit. Nor do I keep her in the stone age, plus she got changed just like 6 months ago. If that's stone age, the oh dear boy. The likes of Morgana, Kayle, Jax and other shouldn't even exist in the history of this game.

Right now, he even tried to start a thread. And most people in it have less than 30 games on her. Which is basically the same thing the rioter did for the mage update.

And another thing I will like to quote from myself (yes, i'm that big of a narcissist).

Akali is by far not perfect, nothing is this game is. However, me and a lot of other people prefer her in her current state over many other champions. As a proven by her ban ratio. https://na.op.gg/champion/akali/statistics/top Akali Champion Ban Rate Ranking 72nd (0.86%)


Even about fucking Oriana i see complaints. The "toxic kit" argument is useless unless that argument is back-up by a high-ish ban rate.

So, no, right now she isn't the biggest fish to fry. But if you think that, that's fair and I'll respect that opinion. As for being a Akali OTP?

No, I'm not an Akali OTP. I can't say that I'm an OTP for any hero in this game. My usual time 'maining' a champion lasts for 1 year or two. I think I have around 110 or so games on her in total across normals and ranked (I don't like playing ranked). Tho, she still is probably right now, one of my best picks as I haven't played the game a lot lately, which means, I haven't picked up anything new.

As for when I started to pick up Akali? around mid s5.

I prefer to play easy mechanical champions. The likes of Morgana, Janna, Diana, pre rework Fiora, Miss Fortune, pre rework Graves, Sivir, pre rework Malzahar, Anivia. And so on.

As such, I didn't play Akali when she could proc her Q with her E in lane. If that helps you with a time frame, but started sometime later when I felt like I'm able to play assassins (after s4, as in s4 it was ahri time)

The main reason I'm saying Akali won't see changes any time soon (as in, this year). Is due to her having received attention recently in the assassin patch. In a similar way as to why Aatrox (another guy i've tried to main) received a change recently. Or Shivana. And so on. It pushes their 'rework' priority down the list.

https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/ sort the champions by pick rate. And then you'll see what riot should prioritize.

urgot - currently in rework almost released state skarner - destroyed and forgotten azir - gutted and forgotten and so on. Not all heroes got big issues on the bottom, but a bunch of them got bigger problems than Akali.


Final note, I'm personally looking to move away from her. It would be about time to move on and pick something else up if I'll continue playing

Monotachi1 votes

Yes I agree, I wasn't expecting Akali to get a VGU this year, or even next year atleast. Probably within 2 years. But yeah, I have played Akali since start of S1, so been with this champ through all the highs and lows and still kept playing her because it was the only champ I liked. Akali was super-good to play when E procced her Q, I very vividly remembered Riot putting that buff on the PBE when Jayce got released, hence why I guess I have a different view on Akali's state since I got to experience how she used to be for a long time.

But I respect your opinions and pointing out priorities. This has always been the case.

TEA Nietzsche 2 votes

But.. This doesn't make any sense. OP claimed this:

What is a wackamole or a "math check" champion? Well to put in simple numbers, it's a champion that lacks creative ways to out play the enemy champion and wins it's trades or gets kills purely by mathmaticaly being bigger than you.

If you want to know if a champion is able to outplay the enemy in "creative ways" you shouldn't look at bronze.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

his point is still legit... about outplay. U don't take silverino as base.

Frap Achiino1 votes

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not everyone is professor akali dude. i mean. your comparing master tier to bronze

well that is the point, she can be very good and has incredible outplay, but bronze people just ult and q. I play her mid a lot, and I destroy any melee mids except Diana. zed is a free lane.

Xion The XIV1 votes

but isn't that the point? Watching video's/guides to show you all the tips and tricks and learn from them? The only person you can not learn from on Youtubers is Brofresco since he stacks his team in custom to the highest degree where you will see his team has Diamonds and the enemy Highest is silver 5.

Hell I hardly even own any of the champions SoloRenektonOnly plays, but he has taught me how to wave management and other skills. A Bronze can learn from a Master tier, but it doesn't mean they are master tier.

KoKoboto3 votes

Honestly no point in talking about Akali until we start talking about her rework.

Monotachi2 votes

Who? Riot or the OP? reav3 has said numerous times that she is high priority for a VGU, as well as several other champions. At this point, any of these high priority champs would be next in line for 2018+.

KoKoboto1 votes

Anyone really. There's no discussion to be had around Akali's gameplay if you ask me unless we're talking about: "How does this match up go?" "What do I build?" And other things kinda like that, simple kinda.

So until the rework starts there's not much to talk about. Like everything has been covered.

Monotachi1 votes

True, Riot has already talked about Akali's problems since s3. I feel though for players that are unaware of these discussions to begin with can read them and judge for themselves. I mean, the reason the OP was writing this open letter was in response to other players in another thread that did not seem to know of Akali's history in regards to balance and game health.

In terms of VGU discussions, Riot starts ideation on alot of champions without publicly announcing them before deciding which one is the most solid. They do get their ideas from alot of places, boards being one of them, so even though they don't respond, I think it's worth for the public eye if there are ideas for a champion VGU that would be good to show and they can take in.

Pommel Knight2 votes

Finally someone understands Fizz, every time a person talks about him they go "Hur dur e safety" and go fuck all about the fact that he has 0 sustain, e is 18 sec rank 1, 0 range and no wave clear (using e is asking for death and can't even get casters to half before rank 3-4 and revolver.

Also agree with you on Akali's problems, she has no utility or steroids for survival (w speed is much worse than armor and mr). But yuo also have to look at her kit from another perspective, adding that utility would (stun/direct slow) would mean lowering her dmg a lot or crippling her mobility. Right now Akali needs a full rework to make her kit viable and healthy.

PhantomGG1 votes

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Finally someone understands Fizz, every time a person talks about him they go "Hur dur e safety" and go fuck all about the fact that he has 0 sustain, e is 18 sec rank 1, 0 range and no wave clear (using e is asking for death and can't even get casters to half before rank 3-4 and revolver.

Also agree with you on Akali's problems, she has no utility or steroids for survival (w speed is much worse than armor and mr). But yuo also have to look at her kit from another perspective, adding that utility would (stun/direct slow) would mean lowering her dmg a lot or crippling her mobility. Right now Akali needs a full rework to make her kit viable and healthy.

should of probably adressed more into what the conversation is about. I titled this "open letter" for in a topic that was pretty popular yesterday, I tried making some points about Akali and felt I poorly worded myself. so this topic was me being more detailed.

Topic being-Akali buffs are bad, rework is the answer, not buffs. The point of this topic was to discuss what led Akali to this horrible point

the short answer-shes old as fuck.

AirKingNeo2 votes

Akali top is a super stupid sustain tank right now and her passive needs a longer cooldown.

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

TL;DR Akali is a Stat-check Assassin.

Like most stat-check champions she has a shit laning phase. Too make up for her godly mid-game power spike.

She is basically an even more out-dated Diana in that regard. The difference being Diana is still a Stat-check champion, but she has more laning tools and better scaling to compensate if she falls behind.

(Btw Darius is not part of the same category of XinZhao and MasterYi is. Garen is a much better example).

Neamean2 votes

in my opinion she is not an assassin anymore she is more of a Skirmisher.

Yasuo MasterYi Fiora Tryndamere She has tool similar to these other skirmisher.

her passive giver her sustain and DPS comparable to them. Also Twilight Shroud let her avoid damage like Wind Wall, Alpha Strike, Riposte ord Undying Rage. Lastly she is very mobile and can stick to her target.

Monotachi1 votes

Well written post. There is alot to discuss about why older melee champions are the way they are. Riot has admitted they didn't know how to design melee champions well back then, but hopely they can now. Though at the rate VGUs are coming, this will take a while.

On the talk about Akali, what would you like to see the kind of tools she would need to be an effective mid laner? Considering she is one of the high priority champions for a VGU, I think it's worth having a discussion on possible ideas.

PhantomGG1 votes

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Well written post. There is alot to discuss about why older melee champions are the way they are. Riot has admitted they didn't know how to design melee champions well back then, but hopely they can now. Though at the rate VGUs are coming, this will take a while.

On the talk about Akali, what would you like to see the kind of tools she would need to be an effective mid laner? Considering she is one of the high priority champions for a VGU, I think it's worth having a discussion on possible ideas.

I already know what I want and will post that tommorrow. super long topic.

Monotachi1 votes

Looking forward to it. Note though that Riot has said Akali would get a 'modernisation-type' VGU similar to Fiora/WW, so it's not a complete re-boot VGU. In essence, her current skill profiles are fine, just need to be re-built to today's standards. I have some ideas in mind though, would wait for your post tomorrow.

PhantomGG1 votes

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Looking forward to it. Note though that Riot has said Akali would get a 'modernisation-type' VGU similar to Fiora/WW, so it's not a complete re-boot VGU. In essence, her current skill profiles are fine, just need to be re-built to today's standards. I have some ideas in mind though, would wait for your post tomorrow.

Some basics that I feel that need to change

-Do they want a mid laner, a jungler or a top laner? Rito chose

Passive- She sorta has a drain tank identity here, this really doesn't need much change

Q- Needs to be more than it allready is, this is probably the most out dated out of all the skills

W-Great concept and has plenty of room to grow with

E-Honestly this can remain completely the same

R- Depends purely how creative riot wants to be with this rework so I probabbly won't talk to much about the ultimate.

Monotachi1 votes

I've actually asked reav3 about reworks and roles, and he says that they don't choose a particular lane to balance a champion around. He used Galio as an example - a recent VGU that can be played top and mid, so they do try and keep the existing roles if it is possible.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/7PBX8Yqd-now-its-nunus-turn-to-shine?comment=00090006000000010000

Otherwise (talking about 6.21 Akali, not the assassin update Akali - will compare if needed):

Personally, Akali's core identities is her hybrid scaling passive (goes with the idea of duality - using the 'double techniques' theme she has going for her since her role is about maintaining balance), her smokebomb skill (classic ninja tool) and Shadow Dance (ninja jumping around alot).

Q and E are just generic damage abilities - though Q's ability to 'double-proc' is something that Akali mainly makes use of (can't think of another champ that can do this), which adds some depth in setting up more burst. Clear defining issue is the unavoidable nature of these skills.

I feel 'drain tank' doesn't quite describe this well, since Akali is supposed to build squishy - not this tank Akali build we have been seeing for some time now. Spellvamp made more sense to discourage tank builds since it heals based on damage dealt - a tank won't have the damage to make the healing any meaningful.

W - Agreed, it's her hallmark ability that no other champion has. Though the current iteration lacks a proper counterplay measure for opponents since the removal of pink wards. Consequently, this meant Akali's scalings had to be gutted to keep her in line.

R - In response to the list you made:

-They don't need to be level 6 to do things -They have ranged harass to help them survive lane phase -They have combos that can get them kills before they are level six

I'm certain Riot would have to remove the level 6 dependency that Akali needs in order to be a functioning champion. Weak pre-6 champion designs are outdated and have completely phased out by now. I would suspect any future VGU iteration of Akali's kit will have Shadow Dance as a basic ability, not an ultimate.

This would open a slot up for a more flashy ultimate that has a proper downtime.

The 14th Angel1 votes

bro i love you. revert her to 6.21 and she would be just fine again.

Limrick1 votes

Until Akali gets a real rework, she should never be buffed. Current Akali is a toxic design.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes

Now onto Akali (these stats are directly from league of graphs) Top Akali: 50 percent win rate Mid Akali: 48 percent Jungle Akali: 50 percent

If u post it like this... its garbage. U don't even give pick rate in account.

What makes her different from zed & talon

they have counter play & u can avoid their damage.

anyway riot already stated the plan to rework her... someday

PentaDenier1 votes

Why do you jerks always want to get the old fun champs reworked. You are basically saying delete them because thats what happens the old champ is gone. Akali is fine and fun to play as leave her alone. Just because she isn't fun for your preferred champs to play against doesn't mean she is outdated.

Stop with this outdated crap please. Old champs like Akali and Trynd are fun and not "outdated" and should be left alone.

Please stop with the damn reworks already, so many fun champs were ruined by this nonsense and not fun anymore like Fiora with the old ult, old Trist with the range passive and better scaling, even Sejuani isn't nearly as fun anymore because of all these stupid reworks. Please stop trying to get peoples champs deleted.

O Fallen Scholar1 votes

Wanna know what the true fix is? Proper rework. It is scary to give direct buffs or any help to point and click traditional assassin.

PhantomGG1 votes

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Wanna know what the true fix is? Proper rework. It is scary to give direct buffs or any help to point and click traditional assassin.

I know, I said that : P

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