Midalee?

Wînter Fox··1 votes·2,066 views

Since Riot has decided to completely ruin Ahri I need a new Mage/Assassin. What does G&B think of AP Midalee? How does she fare in the current mid meta? What type of build should go after item 3040 for spears? Do you think a tankish item 3116 item 3151 combo is viable?

Thanks!

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Wînter Fox2 votes

So many downvotes already...

Lord Dusteon1 votes

Unsure why you'd ever want to build a meh DoT %current hp item on a high damage assassin.

Wînter Fox1 votes

Spear: Chunk of damage + 35% slow + Liandry's Burn w/ extra Mpen Trap: Pure insanity. 15% slow + both % health burns make these mini nukes.

But it's just an idea I'm throwing out there. item 3100 could be better. item 3025 could be awesome. item 3089 item 3135 is already understood as the standard.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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Spear: Chunk of damage + 35% slow + Liandry's Burn w/ extra Mpen Trap: Pure insanity. 15% slow + both % health burns make these mini nukes.

But it's just an idea I'm throwing out there. item 3100 could be better. item 3025 could be awesome. item 3089 item 3135 is already understood as the standard.

Why would you want liandry's burn, ever. Seriously, the item itself is only a doran's ring of gold short of Rabadon's, but only gives 50 AP, 15 mpen, a really crappy DoT burn that as a burst champion you won't take advantage of, and 300 hp. Just buy a sorcerer's shoes + needlessly large rod or void staff, and get all the benefits of liandrys except without the huge cost and crappy burn.

For traps, those already do a BASE of 18% current hp. Liandry's adds... 1% via scaling and 2% via it's passive. Rabadon's adds 2% scaling + at least 1% scaling via it's passive, and increases all other AP sources.

Otherwise, Nidalee's harass combo is based on landing spears and then jumping in, doing damage quickly, and jumping out. As such, a 2% current hp burn in a 3 second combo is negligible compared to actually scaling your damage.

Wînter Fox1 votes

My reasoning is Nidalee is already amazing at executing low-health targets. She great at taking out less than 800HP enemies because her Q execute scales with missing health. But what she's not as good at is handling the healthy and tanky targets, so that's when I would consider Liandry's.

With item 3116 item 3151 a spear will do an extra 4% +2% +2% current health damage for a total of 8%. For high health targets, that's massive. For a 2,000 HP enemy for example, that would be roughly 156 damage (this is a very rough estimate because I'm completely ignoring MR and the fact that Liandry's actually ticks every 0.5 seconds). 156 extra damage - and that's just Liandry's burn passive, without including the 50 AP and 15 Mpen. Just to get the same 156 damage I would need +130 AP with a max-range spear (120% AP scaling). With a half-range spear I would need +195 AP (80% AP scaling).

Her traps are even more deadly. With Rylandry's they'll deal an extra 4% + 4% +4% for a total of +12% currrent health damage. 12% on top her base 18% + 2% AP scaling? It's insanity.

Now when it comes to jumping in and executing her targets, I completely agree that item 3151 is not good because the passive is useless. but in that case, a Nidalee pouncing on an enemy with 20% HP is dead anyway, regardless of whether she has an extra 50 AP or 100 AP. item 3040 item 3089 are the two highest AP item is the game - they will be dead. So why not build the 3rd and 4th items for the other case instead - when targets have 90% HP?

IAM2FKINGKawaii1 votes

Bad imo. She can win lane sure, but she is pretty much useless in team fights because she has unreliable damage, and she has to get into melee range to burst someone down, which is horrible in 5v5.

Wînter Fox1 votes

That's pretty much true for all Mage/Assassins besides Katarina and she's being gutted too.

Beerstein1 votes

Even before she was nerfed wayyyy back in the day bruiser AP nid just never worked.

Erockandroll1 votes

I'm beginning to think that Riot has different plans for nid. Her current PBE iteration has it where her hunt passive now Procs on Monsters. This is something that they experimented with During her rework, but eventually scraped. Since their bringing it back, she may have a new Identity as a Jungler.

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