I just found a video off TheOddOne summerizing my experience with the new jungle perfectly

Kowe The Ewok·Jan 7, 2015·7 votes·1,565 views

http://youtu.be/Pb1Aco-lfBw?t=1m27s

1:28 to 2:24

14 Comments

ZeroQuest96Jan 7, 20153 votes

This explains it exactly.

TheKingDodoJan 7, 20152 votes

Balancing the jungle is so damn hard :(... although here's a nice solution: make camps do 100% more damage and receive 50% less damage to/by players without machetes/jungle item for the first 5 minutes on the player's side (counter jungling by laners is still acceptable)? then remove this debuff by 5-6 minutes so that buffs can be donated. Feel free to share this idea so that rito can finally implement some change.

SohleksJan 7, 20152 votes

Buff jungle EXP.

TheKingDodoJan 7, 20151 votes

Laners start at lvl 3... k

SohleksJan 7, 20154 votes

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Laners start at lvl 3... k

I don't care how it's fixed. Just saying most jungles are 2 levels behind mid and top levels 7-11+. It really sucks to play for jungles and it hurts jungle diversity. They could buff the jungle EXP catchup mechanic. It might have gotten indirectly nerfed when camp respawn time doubled.

Instead I think we're getting smite multiple charges in the next patch which will probably help.

UnedibleJan 7, 20151 votes

Rito. Halp.

Leti the YetiJan 7, 20151 votes

I'm not struggling between farming and ganking laners dont try to screw me over and I didnt need a leash anyway tbh fk me right?

AspynnJan 7, 20151 votes

Why did the trynd take his wolves in the first clip? Is that something that toplaners do in high elos o-o

SohleksJan 7, 20153 votes

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Why did the trynd take his wolves in the first clip? Is that something that toplaners do in high elos o-o

Yeah. I noticed some top laners are taking a camp then recalling and using the gold on pots/wards. Camp EXP gets you level 2, it's pretty worth. If the enemy top laner does this fast pushing won't help you if they TP back to lane. Now they have more exp and pots than you.

Also trynd benefits a lot from the fury. Trynd is weak until he builds that up. Smart to jungle to get it.

AspynnJan 8, 20151 votes

I'm still a bit confused on jungle paths. But why weren't these strategies used before now? Would the jungle be extremely behind from losing his two smaller camps, or would he go straight to raptor things/red buff? And is it common in higher ELOs to steal the small buff monsters? That was very smart but badly played in the video.

SmokingPuffinJan 8, 20151 votes

It is common in high elo play for the duo lane to take a camp before coming to lane. If they do, and you don't, you'll get zoned from three waves because it's worth a bit more than half a level. For example, on blue side you'll often see duo take krugs while jungler starts gromp -> blue -> wolves, recall -> chickens -> red ->gank.

Taking two camps from the jungler is weird. I don't think it's profitable in general. Maybe if you had like a Fiddlesticks laner or something.

MetalGearTeemuJan 7, 20151 votes

Making the jungle a required role compared to a shared resource usable by the entire team with occasional hard junglers like Dota 2 hamstrings them as badly as enforcing the brusier/ap/support/adc lane dynamic does.

There is no easy answer other then scrapping it.

Rinky DinkyJan 7, 20153 votes

The way to answer was literally answered in the Video. Change the spawn timers to 2:05.

The supp would be the one who leashes IF the jungler needs a leash. Very simple

Drunk RummateJan 7, 20151 votes

meh

low elo new jungle is paradise for junglers. nobody knows the trinket timings and gank timings can be anywhere from level 2 to level 6. it's pretty easy to get a killing spree or at least a few assists as a jungler these days.

old jungle it was the same route every damn time, and every time you ran into a damn trinket ward and the laner backed off and you went and farmed your wight/golems.

i can see why it may be difficult for high elo players because the new jungle gives terrible income so without succesful ganks and perfect leashes you're SOL. but i'm probably not gonna be the one complaining unless someone finds some magic ward timer that screws me again.