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I am at a point where I think this coinflip matchmaking is totally intended by Riot

BigFBear··32 votes·12,243 views

I mean... you can't tell me that they don't see this.

I have a conspiracy theory:

What IF... they realized, that a game where you have less control about winning or losing makes you even more addicted than a game where you can just climb to your skill-cap Elo and be happy. Think about it! Why are so many people addicted to gambling? LoL actually IS like gambling nowadays!

Atm it's like: "ok i just got these 2 unranked feeders in my team and the enemy team the Master Smurf, that's the reason i lost. Next game the enemy's will get the unranked feeders and I will come closer to my goal!"

Every company this size is just a huge money printing million dollar factory and they will do EVERYTHING to make people play even more and more and more... 100% they have people hired who are specialized on this shit. The same people who invented the lootbox system for other games.

I don't know how it is for you but in my case the queue time went down from 1:40 in season 8 to 0-30 seconds in season 9. Another indicator. It just has to go fast. Shit on quality of matches, just fast, fast. Faster in the next game! Don't give the player time to think about a break or stop playing.

I can't imagine it's all just coincidence. I bet smart people at Riot used a lot of time, brainpower and statistics to construct this cancer. Maybe they saw how they lose players to other games and decided to go more drastically now.

I thought about what would I do if I would reach Dia4 (atm Plat1/2 peaked in Dia Promos several times)... I guess i would play a bit less because I reached my goal. I even told my friend who wants to play new Civilisation Add-on Gathering Storm with me since weeks: "yeah let me first hit Dia, than I will make a LoL break and we can play all day long".

And then I find myself in a weird match against 80% wr Smurfs together with first time champs, saying to myself "yeah ok... One of these games again... BUT NEXT GAME WILL BE BALANCED FOR SURE!"

Edit: I don't want to say it's all about luck. I am not one of those guys who thinks he deserve Challenger and it's just the system which holds me back. But you can't deny that matchmaking is pretty fucked up atm. And if you don't play an 1v9 champ than it's pretty hard to climb the last steps to your skill cap.

19 Comments

RANK 1 SUPP0RT5 votes

I've played 74 games so far this season and I've lost 49 of the games. Trying to get 4 other people to play as a team as a support has been like pulling teeth. Everytime I get 80-90lp in any division I get matched with kids cosplaying Lee Sin and get shit lose streaks. On the flip side once I get hammered back the fuck down to 0lp Ill be graced by the matchmaking gods and get 3 mildly functional players who are also going through this and a Smurf and I'll go back on a win streak. I want to play with and against people OF MY SKILL and not have to pray if matchmaking is going to give me lube this time or not. Almost every loss its because 1-2 people straight up don't give a fuck they're in a 5v5 competition and are on autopilot putting up 10+ deaths each. I've been playing for 7 years and the fact I still get matched up with kids who don't want to be there is a joke. I think accounts should have some sort of ranked penalties put in place. Like if you get below a certain vision score/ healing/damage shielded as a support in a certain amount of games, you can't queue ranked until you watch a video and beat a tutorial showing you actually know what you're fucking doing. League is supposed to be a competitive Esport but instead it's like playing football and the quarterback doesnt know what a touchdown is. (Like playing soccer without a goalie for you EU folks)

BlueSmurf20185 votes

hey, its me!:

Kind-of-smurf-not-really here to tell you that this is indeed the case! I have a 72% wr on kha in the last 32 games and am currently silver 2! I have been told by many high elo players (D+) I can easily get to plat! I have carried several games where Riot has put me with people that have 40% winrates because I was on a 10 games win streak!

Basically yes, Riot tries to make you get at the very least 60% win rate, and if you dont go along with it, you gain 13 LP per win (im still gaining 21 - 22 LP per win, 18 per win when I role swap with a duo)

BigFBear1 votes

So are you a Smurf or not? I don't understand. What is your main account Elo?

Btw. i don't think that the system forces you to a 50% winrate like many assume. But I think the matchmaking atm is just bad. The teams are so uneven it's just luck who get the better players and because of nature of coincidence it's pretty 50/50 if you or the enemy get the smurfs/unranked players.

BlueSmurf20181 votes

{quoted}

So are you a Smurf or not? I don't understand. What is your main account Elo?

Btw. i don't think that the system forces you to a 50% winrate like many assume. But I think the matchmaking atm is just bad. The teams are so uneven it's just luck who get the better players and because of nature of coincidence it's pretty 50/50 if you or the enemy get the smurfs/unranked players.

that IS my main account elo. s2 with that winrate xd. you think i was gold 2 or something? xd

haaaaaaalp4 votes

I don't think it was intentional for so many people to hit diamond so fast. Like you said, people are less likely to play which is why riot is trying to reverse course on all of the inflated ranked gains earlier in the season.

Ragnaveil3 votes

The system got abused. Its why everything is very shitty. I mean, props to Ed (Riot SapMagic) for at least trying to revamped ranked. The system isn't a total failure, but its probably not the best system for a game like this. Stuff like MMR is the thing that needs to get worked on.

WashyMoney3 votes

Better theory: you are upset because you’re hardstuck.

BigFBear8 votes

I have no problem with being "hardstuck". Hardstuck just means you reached you (current) skill cap. Idk what's wrong about that. Every one has a skill cap. I was in this Elo (hardstuck) in earlier seasons too but I was ok with that because the teams were more balanced than now. I never complained about it.

But back then I could win games when i played very good and most games i lost were because I played poorly. I can handle it when i lose because i played bad, because it's a factor I can change. Atm it's just weird unbalanced teams where you can see the outcome of the game just by checking op.gg. before it even started. I can't change other people in a weird coin flip matchmaking season.

5050BS2 votes

If the ELO system was working correctly there is no such thing as "hardstuck"

Because there is is prof that Riots MMR system is working against its players.

WashyMoney1 votes

Not true. You can be hardstuck ELO in chess because you don’t improve in skill.

oortoomeebreesuu3 votes

{quoted}

you can just climb to your skill-cap Elo and be happy.

there's no such thing as a satisfied player.

BigFBear1 votes

Yeah... Maybe you are right.

jng dif victim3 votes

Its funny that no mods or any game developers doesnt reply to these topics. like they dont see it [slayer-jinx-wink]

Stand Still Plz2 votes

I think it can be true. It came up on my mind too ( Not sure about the grammar here 😁) It can also be testing system if you can win with bad players on your team. 👍

RowGo2 votes

no riot isn't out to make you play more games by matching you with shit eating feeders it's just that statistically everyone who gets to diamond no longer cares about climbing to stroke their own ego so they all become shit eating feeders. Riot has even posted about how the most toxic division in the game is diamond 5.

BUT!!! I think the abstraction you talk about where league is like gambling holds very true, and is what I believe to be a large contributior to the popularity of lol.

Because Ultimately climbing in league really just boils down to: consistently, ability to make a fair self evaluation regardless of the results, and mental.

Yet people constantly look for cheap ways to climb fast, not realizing that to get good at the game you have to stop looking at wins and loses or even rank and instead only look at your own play.

Catorii2 votes

I also find it odd how if I don't log in for a few weeks, and then once I play I go on winning streaks. And then the next day I play it's back to the coin toss.. Hm..

Cute and happy1 votes

{quoted}

I also find it odd how if I don't log in for a few weeks, and then once I play I go on winning streaks. And then the next day I play it's back to the coin toss.. Hm..

This happens to me 100% of the time I take breaks longer than a week.. Doesn't matter which role I play I'll get a team of at least similarly ranked or skilled players (rather than the usual skew of semi-computer literate monkeys) for roughly four games in a row, then as you said straight back to hell

5050BS1 votes

Interesting. Will need to test this. Play only once a week? Maybe once every 2 weeks and see what kind of games I get.

china is problem1 votes

very easy free skin at diamant so more people go platinium :(

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