Do well early game, make everyone on their team 0/5 and it doesn't matter because lulu pressed R on the super overtuned kog'maw and he just melts your entire team in a few seconds
Sasogwa7 votes2 strategies : Win earlygame, splitpush. Juggermaw comps are based on Kog'maw supported by a bunch of people. If you can disperse them with pressure on different lanes, it will never be effective.
Sire Hippington6 votesAs a luluplayer, i can tell you that kog isn't the big issue here. replace him with tris, cait or jinx or any other hypercarry and you got nearly the same result.
Z Statistic2 votes[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AtuQknE0,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-02-15T14:42:32.555+0000)
As a luluplayer, i can tell you that kog isn't the big issue here. replace him with tris, cait or jinx or any other hypercarry and you got nearly the same result.
Cait is not a hypercarry. If she's a hypercarry, then so is Ashe.
Tangrowth Hat1 votesHer range certainly allows her to, although not in the conventional way like kayle or something
Filthy Wook2 votes[{quoted}](name=Menea Calais,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AtuQknE0,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-02-15T14:54:41.121+0000)
Cait is not a hypercarry. If she's a hypercarry, then so is Ashe.
I have carried quite a few games with ashe recently. I wish yall would stop trash talking her, sure she is weaker, but quit acting like she is dead pls
Z Statistic3 votesShe's a hard carry. How is not calling her a hyper carry trashe talking? We can't just call anyone a hypercarry because then the word becomes meaningless.
Nekusen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dylan the Blind,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AtuQknE0,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2016-02-15T15:13:13.893+0000)
I have carried quite a few games with ashe recently. I wish yall would stop trash talking her, sure she is weaker, but quit acting like she is dead pls
I think he just ment she isn't an hyper carry
junglerboy164 votesShe actually is.
She has immense range, good self peel, and strong AD scalings (especially post rework). She has a bit of an unorthodox power curve for a hyper carry (most are weak early, ok mid game, strong late game, where Cait is good early, weak mid game, strong late) but she is still a hyper carry.
Ashe can also be counted as a hyper carry if she gets to late game because again she is very long ranged, has great self peel, and exceptionally high damage with proper items (because of her passive and her Q she scales incredibly hard on 5-6 items, especially with the amount of crit in the game right now).
Being a hyper carry isn't all about whether you can 1v5 teams late game, it's about how strong you are at what point in the game. Tristana is also a hyper carry, but has some of the worst damage statistics of any ADC. She still counts though because she has excellent safety and tower killing power when she gets to late game.
Z Statistic2 votesThen EVERY adc is a hypercarry because EVERY adc reaches a peak at 6 items. A hypercarry doesn't have a specific definition, but a good rule of thumb is that even if they get destroyed early on, if the game just progresses past a certain point even if they remain behidn the enemy non-hyper carry, they will come out on top. Examples of this would be Vayne and Kog because their damage continuously scales well based on levels and enemy hp regardless of their own gold. Same thing with Kindred.
No one in this game can truly 1v5 like Anti-Mage or Faceless Void. We still have a concept of hard carry that applies to others besides marksmen though, and thus we still have a concept of a truly powerful late game carry.
A passive steroid that you cannot reliably control or press on-demand does not count. This includes Varus and Caitlyn. High ratios on Q mean nothing in a late game teamfight because you will be pumping out dps using your basic attacks. Caitlyn has some of the worst AS at all stages in the game. Pretending that you can ignore that for massive Q poke and play her like Graves is silly. And it's the ONLY 'steroid' she has. Even if you want to include the passive, Then Varus has more than her. Lucian has more than her.
And we're back to square one: calling a hypercarry someone who peaks at the late game is ridiculous because every ADC reaches their peak in the late game.
Rebonack3 votes[{quoted}](name=Menea Calais,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AtuQknE0,comment-id=0004000000020000,timestamp=2016-02-15T16:00:21.825+0000) And we're back to square one: calling a hypercarry someone who peaks at the late game is ridiculous because every ADC reaches their peak in the late game.
No they don't.
Some Marksmen hit their peak early game and drop off more and more the longer the game goes. See: Corki
Some Marksmen start off weak and grow stronger the longer the game goes. See: Vayne.
Some Marksmen are at their strongest mid game with relative drop off early and late. See: Kog, though he's over-tuned right now.
WarlockLaw1 votesHyper carries require neither range nor self peel to be identified as such. A hyper carry simply has higher then average damage for their class allowing them to kill enemy team's faster than average. Vayne and Kog'Maw are too very different hyper carries. One lacks any form of peel while the other no range. Both are hyper carries due to how well they scale with items. Caitlin might have both range and safety, but she doesn't have meaningful steroids to shred a tank faster then any other adc. Ashe might be able to count with a Runaan's and q on three targets, but I believe she also doesn't have the same kind team killing as Twitch or Kog'Maw come full build.
junglerboy161 votesA hyper carry simply has higher then average damage for their class
Not true, case in point Draven and Tristana.
Draven has some of the highest damage out of all marksmen as a class, however it is undisputed that he is not a hyper carry because he has difficulty dealing damage safely late game. Tristana statistically has the worst damage per game out of almost all marksmen. The reason safety is so essential to hyper carry status is that if you aren't safe, you're dead, and if you're dead you aren't dealing damage.
In fact, safety is more determinant of a hyper carry than the damage they deal.
are all the marksmen hyper carries, and of those 6, 2 have inherently massive range, 3 have major range steroids, all 6 have self peel, and 4 have mobility. The fact that they have damage steroids of varying efficacy is irrelevant, because what makes them powerful is the other tools in their kits that allow them to use their damage, not the damage itself.
WarlockLaw1 votesThis is news to me that Cait and Ashe are hyper carries. Back in seasons 3 and 4 people always talked about Caits weak late game as the trade off for her dominating laning phase and Ashe gets initiation power and kiting but her being hyper carry is never mentioned in most conversations. Also if Twitch is no longer a hyper carry than I'm really out of touch with things as i thought that's supposed to be why you picked him.
junglerboy161 votesCait has always had a very strong late game because of her range and peel, but I wouldn't have considered her a hyper carry before the rework this preseason, since that made her scale better into the late game.
Riot keeps trying to say that Twitch is a hyper carry, but his damage scales comparatively poorly and his ult is lackluster relative to many other more updated champs. Originally his strength was being a strong laner who could roam for kills a team fights mid game, and honestly he never seemed to stand out as a late game champ. After they nerfed his stealth activation time he really dropped off as a late game champ.
Of course I could be wrong, but that's what I've seen and heard regarding those two.
WarlockLaw1 votesIn every game I've seen Twitch get close to or to full build he usually takes out 3ish ppl per fight unless hard focused or instagibbed. At least that's my experience with him. Though I think he needs a rework at this point because the only good ability he has is his ult. The passive has mostly negligible damage, stealth is never useful as am escape, w is a glorified slow and his e is almost always worse than Kalista's
Sire Hippington1 votescait certainly is a hypercarry, her damage scaleing come to lategame is huge since the update, and her huge range+savety allows her to constantly hammer away on her opponents. At 5-6items, cait is one of the scarriest champos to fight, if not the scarriest due to how damn save she is if well played
Also, i'd consider Ashe an hypercarrie. Between the passive and Q, she has some massive steroids, good range, and her utillity gets very scary in the lategame.
And both have a clear increase of winrate the longer a game goes, prettymuch perfect hypercarry curves, starting off weak and getting consitently strong as the game progresses.
Kog for example starts of strong now, drops slightly at 25min, spikes at 30-35,in, and when falls off, actually haveing his weakest point at 40+min
L0ve Is Blue6 votesteam comp will always win against no team comp.
If you build a peel team to support you kog'maw like 
it is likely that you will not be able to reach kog through the multiple knock back slows and stuns while the little kog will do his turret job.
But if you have a super hard engage team like 
who doesn't care about CC 
unstopable dash with an 
ball attached to him and a 
support who can make sure her 
doesn't get her ult interrupted with her shield while following up the engage with her ult, you are more likely to be able to reach el Kog'Maw.
but if your team is like 
and you have no real teamfight strategy than they will probably win.
Ruin Lance2 voteswow, i literally had this happen to me a few games ago. they didn't have a lulu but my god did they have a ton of peel and tanks. i hope i never have to play against another one of these fotm comps again
Catastrop2 votesThis is what happens when people just call for buffs.
Rebonack1 votesThis is what happens when people just call for buffs.
This is what happens when people call for buffs to Kog's late game and AP build but Riot decides to buff his early/mid game repeatedly instead.
Catastrop2 votesAnd I'm agreeing. I mean that is what always happens when you call for buffs to anything. Riot always goes overboard.
Rebonack1 votesAnd I'm agreeing. I mean that is what always happens when you call for buffs to anything. Riot always goes overboard.
Nah, not always.
Riot gets things Riot sometimes, too. There's no reason to come down on them too hard.
Champions who only bring damage to the table have always been kind of difficult to balance properly. Because they only have damage to work with, the difference between under-tuned and over-tuned is often a knife-edge. All the last patch did was make Kog's early/mid a bit more of a threat and suddenly he's amazing. He's not the strongest late game Marksmen, though. That title probably goes to Vayne or Twitch.
SSJTHREE2 votesSame thing happened with Mf. Was kinda strong but got buffed because boards were crying. After the buffs the champions are too strong and boards are crying again.
Trídent2 votesBuy a pink ward. He's now irrelevant. :)
hi im minty1 votesBuild frozen heart
Troiann13 votesHe's sitting half the map away and half his damage is magic.
Frozen heart won't do shit.
It's like trying to stop a nuclear strike with a handgun.
Supreme Senpai693 votes
hi im minty1 votesSo if he's sitting half the map away that means he's free farming, right?
Live2LetDie1 votesPlaying sej and camping bot works for me
Grunt6661 votesPlaying sej and camping bot works for me
Pretty sure it has less to do with you and more to do with your diamond friends that carry you. Not everyone has that option of queing up with diamond duo in bot lane and then camping their friends lane :)
Live2LetDie1 votesPretty sure it has less to do with you and more to do with your diamond friends that carry you. Not everyone has that option of queing up with diamond duo in bot lane and then camping their friends lane :)
Carry me? If you don't understand high elo then let me explain. Plat is filled with almost all of last seasons diamond players right now meaning most of the time it's 9 diamonds and 1 plat s5. But we are all in the same elo so technically all the same skill that's why I am skipping divisions haha.
Doesn't matter if I have a good trio or not. If you see a kog you camp not, since he is immobile, and get free kills.
Solidair31 votesRito already knows they went a bit overboard, he'll get nerfed
Goofle1 votesNah Kog'mag dies quite easily. I'd say he's quite weak in teamfights. The annoying thing is how fast he can take towers/objectives. So this is basically yet another completely stupid buff by the people who don't play soloq (aka the balance team). That's definitely not the kind of buff Kog'Maw needs.
Expect yet another huge nerf (by the same bright people), so that Kog becomes non-viable again.
Mizaya1 votesYou realize that before the buffs his late game was actually even stronger. You shouldn't be complaining about this now, you should be complaining about his early-mid game being stronger because his scaling is all on one ability now.
