Dead Man's Plate, why can't i outrun their meat wall anymore?

only zhule··2 votes·723 views

So i have been playing a few games and keep running into people using item 3742 , and i keep running into the same issue. That being they are basically impossible to out run. Now i don't have issue with most of the stat line for this item, 500 HP is good; 50 armor is nice; the slow is also totally understandable. But WHY does this item need to give so much bonus movement speed? I usually see this thing giving 30-60 bonus movement speed, or approximately 10-20% bonus movement speed. Other items will usually top out at about 5-7% bonus movement speed, so why does this one item give such insanely high bonus movement speed? As it stands the only "counters" i've been able to find to this bad boy is either playing a champion who can dash over walls thus negating the enemy the chance to catch me, or to buy an item like item 3025 or item 3116 so i can keep slowing them and thus putting off their ability to build additional movement speed.

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ImmortalBloodCY1 votes

Hit them once and they lose their movement speed.

Big Lincoln1 votes

because they lose it when they slow you, you slow them, you stun them..

because ranged champions can build two Zeal items and Swifty's and have higher MS than them unless they have an MS boost in their kits, and unlike DMP they don't lose the MS

only zhule1 votes

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because they lose it when they slow you, you slow them, you stun them..

because ranged champions can build two Zeal items and Swifty's and have higher MS than them unless they have an MS boost in their kits, and unlike DMP they don't lose the MS

So assuming they also have boots, but not item 3009 . Your 15 more MS from your boots + 2 item, finally tips you around par with their one item.

The issue is based more around the fact that the item requires someone to have reliable stun/slow to counter it. If i'm Sivir or Cait, unless i already have a frozen mallet built, their is nothing i can do to slow you down. If i'm a squishy support, chances are i won't be able to hit you with a slow/stun when you are inherently faster then me THEN you get a huge movement boost from the item.

Big Lincoln1 votes

Because the movespeed disappears instantly the second you hit anything.

I don't get why that's an issue? It's good for chasing up until you expend it. It SHOULD allow them to catch up to you; that's the entire point of the item.

If i'm Sivir or Cait, unless i already have a frozen mallet built, their is nothing i can do to slow you down.

Both of these champions have amazing kite. Cait has her range and her E and W, Sivir has her passive. You can definitely kite them out.

Cherysse1 votes

Or buy one of these yourself

only zhule1 votes

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Or buy one of these yourself

Turns out it's not a good item on a utility support like Sona or Soraka.

Dreadlocks1 votes

Wow it sounds awesome on Soraka i should try that lol.

Erockandroll1 votes

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Turns out it's not a good item on a utility support like Sona or Soraka.

You could go with Mobility boots. The extra MS you get from that item will greatly out pace DMP. And with sustain supports, you can make use of Ardent Censor, which gives you even more MS.

And despite all that, You shouldn't be far forward enough for a DMP tank/juggernaut to make you there primary target. If you are, you're caught out. DMP should not be a problem for these champs.

Vekkna1 votes

How is 15 MS from Swifties more speed than 60 MS from DMP?

Hint: It isn't.

Erockandroll1 votes

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How is 15 MS from Swifties more speed than 60 MS from DMP?

Hint: It isn't.

I said Mobility boots, not swifties.

Do you Read?

Vekkna1 votes

I don't read, and I'm an idiot.

Dreadlocks1 votes

item 3800 R.I.P....

Quepha1 votes

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As it stands the only "counters" i've been able to find to this bad boy is either playing a champion who can dash over walls thus negating the enemy the chance to catch me, or to buy an item like item 3025 or item 3116

You got it dude. Either use cc to stop the juggernauts or build cc to stop them. That's the entire point of juggernauts.

LegitBusinessman1 votes

Honestly, I get run down a lot playing Ashe. Which is... kinda whack. So many movement speed items nowadays.

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