Why do tanks have to suck so much?

GlockHammer··4 votes·1,085 views

Honestly, it's impossible to survive 2 seconds of focus fire. If the enemy has a Vayne, whuew, kiss your ass goodbye. All tank items are incredibly garbage, and benefit fighters with mobility far more than they do fighters/tanks without.

I don't know why the hell mages are so goddamn salty, they can still decimate people, they can still do their jobs. Tanks can't do a fucking thing unless they have overbearing kit with massive defensive steroids like Rammus, cc on just about every skill, like Nautilus or assassination mechanics like Poppy and Malph. I need to cross half the goddamn map with my deadmans just to wrack up the same speed as a TF with lichbane and ludens. Fuck tanks man, I'm done with this shitty class.

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1374343 votes

{quoted} Tanks can't do a fucking thing unless they have overbearing kit with massive defensive steroids like Rammus, cc on just about every skill, like Nautilus or assassination mechanics like Poppy and Malph.

Well yes, not all tanks are equal. Some specialize in soaking up tons of damage (e.g. Mundo), some specialize in initiating/disrupting/peeling (e.g. Naut) and some a combination of the two.

I don't know why this is a shock to you, and what exactly you picture as an ideal tank.

GlockHammer1 votes

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Well yes, not all tanks are equal. Some specialize in soaking up tons of damage (e.g. Mundo), some specialize in initiating/disrupting/peeling (e.g. Naut) and some a combination of the two.

I don't know why this is a shock to you, and what exactly you picture as an ideal tank.

Mundo isn't a tank, he's a meatshield and he's also shit, people just haven't realised it yet.

1374341 votes

So what is the difference between a tank and a meatshield?

GlockHammer2 votes

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So what is the difference between a tank and a meatshield?

Tanks provide hard cc.

1374341 votes

Tanks can also be meatshields- in fact that is where the term for the class came from. That is why people say "I'll **tank **the tower," or "I'll **tank **dragon/baron." They are not talking about CCing them...

"Tank" is a broad definition that was originally defined (long before LoL/DOTA/MOBAs) as characters having high HP and resistances but with weak damage output- in other words being all about taking a lot of damage.

Ralanr1 votes

While I don't agree with the opinion that tanks are doing poorly, I do agree that DrMundo isn't a primary tank. He can tank damage very well, but he has no way to properly peel for his carries like Nautilus Alistar Sion Poppy or Shen.

DrMundo is more of a juggernaut like Garen Darius and Illaoi. They provide moderate (though it seems like a lot of damage to a squishy, for good reason honestly) damage, and are very durable. But they lack tools in their kits to properly tank for their team. Tanks usually have forms of peel or lockdown (hence CC) on top of being very durable. They are suppose to be the first ones in, get the attention, and let their carries do the main damage.

Of course by that definition, juggernauts can do that job just as well if not better (Like Garen getting to his villain). But they do not provide enough utility to help their team. They are the carries of the big guys, a more selfish variant of tank if you must call them a tank.

An easy way to tell who is a tank and who isn't is by looking at their kit and seeing what it provides. Shyvana has only one form of CC and that isn't till level 6, yet she builds very tanky and deals a large amount of sustained damage. Her ult is meant to help her get to the enemy, not to protect her team. Sion on the otherhand has two CC abilities before 6, built to knock up or slow his opponents so they can't get away. Thus Sion is a tank while Shyvana is a juggernaut.

DrMundo has an inherently selfish kit. It's centered around him not dying and killing others (his CC is a slow that is used like Olaf's slow, to get to his target). Thus he's a juggernaut/tanky fighter, not a tank.

Remember, tanky=/=tank.

ff4sk2 votes

You're joking right?

GlockHammer1 votes

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You're joking right?

Does it seem like I'm joking?

Hayaishi24 votes

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Does it seem like I'm joking?

Due to how clueless you are i'd say yes.

Yumifries1 votes

Yeah it does kinda suck dying in 6 shots to a vayne late game

GlockHammer1 votes

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Yeah it does kinda suck dying in 6 shots to a vayne late game

Yeah, problem is lategame today is post 20 minutes, so if I cant close the game within 20 minutes I'll be useless sack of shit and get buttfucked ad infinitum. Loving this meta, loving immobile tanks/fighters, they are incredibly shit.

GlockHammer1 votes

Imagine if Braum couldn't jump to allies? Just imagine for a monent imagine how unbelievably bad he would be, he would be trash tier. Imagine if bard couldn't portal. What do all viable tanks/fighters have this meta? They all have escapes and gapclosers. Because fucking mobility creep.

GlockHammer1 votes

Ok, indulge me, if tanks weren't incredlibly garbage, why are double, tripple and quadruple adc comps so popular and doing so well? It's because tanks are more or less obselete, they are hardcountered by adc, yet they are weaker than ever.

Ralanr1 votes

DPS counters tanks, so yes tanks do poorly against ADC's. But Tanks are usually the best at protecting their carries, hence why they are actually doing pretty well.

This meta is kind of a clusterfuck, and I'm liking it for that. ADC's are a bit strong, but I'm sure something will change.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Top&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend

So out of the top ten win rate top laners, five are tanks (six if you count Trundle). Of these tanks, only one (Sion) has a play rate that falls below the median play rate.

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Jungle

Of the top ten win rate junglers, four are definitely tanks, and some are arguable (Udyr's current build is arguably more tank-oriented, and Volibear straddles the line between tank and fighter).

So some of the top performing champions in two roles are tanks.

What are you whining about again?

Ralanr1 votes

Damn. Didn't know Sion top was doing so fine.

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