57% win rate udyr is extrmeley broken and needs a nerf asap

Ecodeath·Feb 6, 2016·72 votes·10,218 views

http://champion.gg/champion/Udyr/Jungle

that says enough

156 Comments

ThumpinFeb 6, 201620 votes

I swear to god if one of my favorite champions gets ruined because of some cheeseball AP build I'm gonna be grumpy...

Doctor HorseFeb 6, 20163 votes

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I swear to god if one of my favorite champions gets ruined because of some cheeseball AP build I'm gonna be grumpy...

Preach!

yay nibbersFeb 6, 20165 votes

As much as I love the cheeseball runic echoes build, I have to agree. But you know it's gonna happen, only question is what they'll hit: his turtle stance, phienix stance, or his base movespeed?

ThumpinFeb 6, 201610 votes

I'd imagine if they actually nerf Udyr directly it will be to his AP ratios, since a regular Udyr build would never get any ap from anything, except the old Trinity Force.

HandheldBrandonFeb 7, 20163 votes

Pretty sure they already nerfed those into the ground a long time ago.

ThumpinFeb 7, 20164 votes

Not really, since his shield still scales with 50% ap and his Phoenix blast scales with 25% and pulses for 45%. Phoenix could have it's ap ratios removed and nobody would notice any difference except for the cheeseball build.

NichtHurzFeb 7, 20161 votes

But that would still be quite a sad thing to happen for other builds that use AP and I actually love champions that are somewhat open for utilizing different builds and playstyles. I still have to agree that this Udyr build is unhealthy. He's already hard to hit with skillshots, but this really makes it a joke. I've seen lots of people who'd normally hit most of their skillshots and would be really effective with them having no chance against Runic Echo Udyr. No idea what could be done.

ThumpinFeb 7, 20164 votes

While I get what you're saying, it also needs to be emphasized that Riot has never been able to balance a champion with multiple, distinct build variations that do completely different things.

AP Trist and Yi are examples that have been all but deleted. AP Ezreal is another one that they will absolutely never do work on, because AD Ezreal takes priority.

If they need to kill off AP Udyr, I as an Udyr player wont miss it, and I'll understand that it was necessary just like killing AP Yi and Trist was. And like I wish they would do for AP Ezreal so I never have another one of those feeders on my team again.... god dammit.

HandheldBrandonFeb 7, 20162 votes

AP YI and Trist brought ridiculous burst with zero almost zero counterplay to them other than hoping you survive.

AP Udyr is still subject to the same thing that normal Udyr is subject to which is kiting.

SpoofghoulFeb 7, 20164 votes

lol kiting

goodluck kiting someone whos fasterr then quin with homegaurds

SpecterVonBarenFeb 7, 20164 votes

But the problem isn't his ratios, it's the movespeed aspect. Udyr being able to pick and choose his fights by building movespeed and spamming bear stance to tweek your nose and then run away when you try to fight him is where the annoying and frustrating aspect about him is, but it's also the only reason he can work at all.

ThumpinFeb 7, 20163 votes

Well, the thing is that we've been doing that since before Spirit Guard Udyr was a thing. He's always been good at the hit and run, and then maul you to death when you've overextended chasing him. Or just running you down when you have nobody to help you.

If the AP ratio is wasted on him then you're only building the item for the movespeed and the Echo proc, making it highly inefficient. I'm not sure if that's enough but I'd rather see that part of his kit get butchered than things that are more iconic to the champ.

GrReaper96Feb 7, 20166 votes

item 3070 Elise #neverforget

NeomeaFeb 7, 20163 votes

To be fair his devourer build path isn't that far behind the "cheese ball" path

ThumpinFeb 7, 20163 votes

True. I'm not entirely sure why this is so strong so suddenly, as it's basically the same way everyone has been playing Udyr for ages. Might be the buffs to Swifties.

KarKzzFeb 7, 20163 votes

I think it's a "mix" of a lot of things.

Shorter game : Udyr don't like late game
The popularity of current jungle picks, he counter elise and lee sin, because he can front fight them, and is less vulnerable to mobility / outplay. He may be also good against graves.
Runic echo. 10% MS + the swifties + the op-iceborn. Nuff said.

The devourer build is at 55%, it's acceptable, since he counter most of the curent meta junglers. (Remember when rammus was at 55%+ winrate a few month ago, it got lower without any nerf). So the problem is obviously runic echo.

Pika310Feb 6, 201615 votes

While winrate doesn't actually mean crap, I do hate Udyr. I'd be glad if he got some heavy nerfs.

PennsFeb 6, 201631 votes

"Doesnt mean crap" isnt really true. 40-43% obviously means something with the champ or the items he builds isnt right, same goes for 56-60%. Udyr also has about 10% play rate, so the sample size is bigger than enough.

Hayaishi2Feb 6, 201615 votes

Another example of a cancer champion that reach OP levels whenever the items favor him.

yay nibbersFeb 6, 20161 votes

Funny how that works. First Graves now Udyr.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 7, 20163 votes

Whut? Graves got a rework and was considered OP and then he got some love tap nerfs that made the FoTM players drop him like a rock until LCS started using Jungle Graves. While he might work well with items right now, it's not why he's strong.

Zero Skill TankFeb 6, 201611 votes

This is winrate of Udyr in general. Runic Echoes Udyr is at whooping #59%!!!

Sir YamazukiFeb 6, 20164 votes

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This is winrate of Udyr in general. Runic Echoes Udyr is at whooping #59%!!!

Then increasing to a little over 61% when played well.

Left Hook LarryFeb 6, 201610 votes

It's the item that makes him strong, not the champ

AninLegions777Feb 6, 20161 votes

Are you sure? Same thing was said about Feral Flare, Release Devourer and Sated Devourer. Maybe it's time to look at the champ.

Left Hook LarryFeb 7, 20164 votes

"are you sure"

Ummm yeah look at Elise, for example. Her win rate went up something like 7% since the new item was released. Udyr isnt the only abuser

AninLegions777Feb 7, 20161 votes

She's not abusing it. Elise has always been strong even when she builds cinderhulk. The main fact is that this item made jungling easier for her allowing her to gank and get more items faster. You can say it accelerated her progression in the game.

Left Hook LarryFeb 8, 20162 votes

She was strong af with like a 47% win rate, now she has like a 53%. Big difference

CanidaeFeb 6, 20169 votes

It's the zz'rot portal. ppl are building it on Udyr now and are adding built-in game sense/map pressure to his kit.

ZaynMaIikFeb 6, 20169 votes

Udyr is not broken. Its the fact trick2g teaches udyr players how to win games with udyr. He breaks down EVERY SITUATION and explains what to do, why to do it, and what to do after. Its not the champ its the players just getting smarter. And the fact hes a split pushing champ and towers are weaker.

TheNewHumanineFeb 6, 201618 votes

Thing is Trick has been doing that for years now, but the winrate has just recently skyrocketed...

I think the jump in winrate probably has more to do with something in the recent patch making Udyr that much stronger, rather than a sudden revelation that Trick2g's Udyr teachings are gospel .__.

Victorious UdyrFeb 7, 20164 votes

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Thing is Trick has been doing that for years now, but the winrate has just recently skyrocketed...

I think the jump in winrate probably has more to do with something in the recent patch making Udyr that much stronger, rather than a sudden revelation that Trick2g's Udyr teachings are gospel .__.

His teachings cant get him out of Diamond.

Spaceman5pffFeb 8, 20162 votes

Talking to an entire stream probably makes it hard to climb as well

SpoofghoulFeb 7, 20169 votes

item 1410 item 3512 item 3742 item 1306

gotta go fast . ..

its super gay seeing an udyr running around the map with an average 800 movepseed

Nimble MantaFeb 7, 20162 votes

I'd argue it's super black, but either way it comes across rather inappropriately yes?

CasterGilgameshFeb 7, 20162 votes

ah i see "super black" because only black people need to run from the police

Spaceman5pffFeb 8, 20162 votes

I can understand Spoofghoul using gay as a descriptore here, since he is busy running that fast from his sexuality

oMdwoFeb 7, 20167 votes

Runic Echo needs a nerf or a change, its synergy is very good with him due to movement speed and echo passive procs often since you are spamming between turtle, bear, and pheonix. If Runic is changed to not suit him so well, such as movement speed nerfed or changed to something that suits other AP junglers better, his winrate will fall. Some people will insist he needs a nerf, but fail to reazlize he hasnt had a buff/nerf/QOL change since 4.8. Change echo and udyr win rate will drop. Simple.

AbyssphereFeb 7, 20162 votes

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Runic Echo needs a nerf or a change, its synergy is very good with him due to movement speed and echo passive procs often since you are spamming between turtle, bear, and pheonix. If Runic is changed to not suit him so well, such as movement speed nerfed or changed to something that suits other AP junglers better, his winrate will fall. Some people will insist he needs a nerf, but fail to reazlize he hasnt had a buff/nerf/QOL change since 4.8. Change echo and udyr win rate will drop. Simple.

He still has a 56% win rate when you build him with Devourer. Why should we nerf all of the AP junglers if we're gonna have to nerf Udyr down the line anyway?

Malix FarwinFeb 6, 20166 votes

I think WR means nothing when they have relatively average ones but when you have a huge ouliner then it does.

Chaotic ReksFeb 7, 20166 votes

obligatory "just cc and kite him noob" comment

meanwhile udyr's constant 600+ MS...

Comrade NapoleonFeb 7, 20165 votes

at this point i only ban Udyr, if any of you had the horrible experience of playing vs echo Udyr aka "Gates Udyr" (fuck trick2g btw) you will do the same

Blumpkin NationFeb 7, 20163 votes

He just needs the Sona treatment when it comes to his stances. They all need to be a flat 6 second cool down (without CDR affecting them) and go on a 1.5 second cool down when one is used. SO Udyr has to use the effect instead of just -bear stance, bear stance, bear stance, bear stance.-

Doctor JarvisFeb 7, 20163 votes

I don't know what it is about Udyr, but every time I play AGAINST him he's this tanky, unkiteable, damage dealing motherfucker who can't be held down, yet every time I play AS him I get murderized before I make any impact whatsoever. So yeah, nerf him so I don't have to learn him please

BoulderoxFeb 6, 20162 votes

Tbh idyr isn't that broken, it's the fact he can use ANY jungle enchant and do fine build wise, can go ad, ap, and tank, but rwally its because of %movespeed Orem, allowing him to engage and run with insane speed.

Its Evelynn syndrome, where they use items that are inherently strong, not the champ themselves.

Zero Skill TankFeb 6, 20168 votes

Whetever is the reason, runic Udyr needs a nerf.

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 6, 20162 votes

not to mention. his winrate is actually 60% with the runic echoes. watch an item getting nerfed because of one champion instead of nerfing the champion itself

Gregor GysiFeb 6, 20163 votes

He is really strong even without RE tho.

Clockwork MadokaFeb 7, 20162 votes

Honestly, i just feel Udyr needs a rework, and is doomed to have one eventually (even with all the lamenting of the Trick2G fans).

His kit is incredibly straight forward, and all he has to do to be successful is bear form, tiger form, auto attack, with the occasional turtle if things get shaky.

He's makes the lives of other junglers hell at most points of the game, and later he just becomes even scarier.

He isn't necessarily overpowered...but his kit is pretty boring, and it doesn't take much to frustrate the enemy. His only true weakness is being kited for the most part.

SojsFeb 7, 20166 votes

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Honestly, i just feel Udyr needs a rework, and is doomed to have one eventually (even with all the lamenting of the Trick2G fans).

His kit is incredibly straight forward, and all he has to do to be successful is bear form, tiger form, auto attack, with the occasional turtle if things get shaky.

He's makes the lives of other junglers hell at most points of the game, and later he just becomes even scarier.

He isn't necessarily overpowered...but his kit is pretty boring, and it doesn't take much to frustrate the enemy. His only true weakness is being kited for the most part.

tiger udyr isn't played