But like can we at LEAST give akali a bad lane phase. Fucking ridiculous that I cant out trade her with anyone. Do you know how many matchups she can run ignite and kill at lv 3-4? Its fucking stupid! Seriously.
Bronze 5 Teeto11 votesAkali is just a champion in dire need of a complete rework. I don't know why anyone plays it. It's not a fun champ even when u have 19 kills by 15 minute it just feels zzzzzzz
Pierce The Veal2 votes[{quoted}](name=Bronze 5 Teeto,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Als6hTzR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-23T06:16:24.618+0000)
Akali is just a champion in dire need of a complete rework. I don't know why anyone plays it. It's not a fun champ even when u have 19 kills by 15 minute it just feels zzzzzzz
Yeah as an ex akali main I dropped her when they did this fucking mini rework. Thanks @Ricklessabandon for making her more clunky, gimmicky, and toxic than before, both for people playing as and against her.
Now she just feels really shitty to play but she magically works somehow and so I play her lmao.
Dani El Pezglobo1 votesShe is a ball of stats, if her stats are ok she is op af, but if she doesnt have good stats, she is bad and a trollpick
Pierce The Veal1 votesShe is a ball of stats, if her stats are ok she is op af, but if she doesnt have good stats, she is bad and a trollpick
To be honest she really was no more of a ball of stats than most other champions. But now it's just she gets gimmicky healing and damage in lane and that's just not fun. Her being weak in lane was crucial but now they reversed her power scaling and it really sucks.
LankPants1 votesI could say the exact same thing about Teemo. He's the same, except he's ranged so he's inherently worse.
Penns9 votesAt least akali is melee and falls off in teamfights tho. Meanwhile 
building straight tank with a tear and still bullying lane hehe
Red Wreckage3 voteswhat teamfights when akali can start roaming and picking off everything after like 1 item at around 7 minutes into game?
LankPants3 votes1 item at 7 minutes? The fuck are you feeding her to get that? Creeps spawn at a rate of 12 per minute plus one cannon every three waves starting at 1:15. Casters give an average of 17.75 up to 7 min, melees give 28.5 on average, meaning an average noncannon creep is worth an average 23.125 gold. Over this time 4 cannons will spawn worth an average 46.2 gold. 72 normal creeps will spawn by 7:15, and I'm being kind to you and ignoring time to walk down lane.
If Akali had perfect CS up to this point she'd have netted 1850 gold from CS and generated a further 750 gold passively for a total of 2600 gold, meaning if she had perfect CS and invested her starting 500 gold into Gunblade she'd be about 300 gold short. She doesn't have perfect CS. She isn't investing her starting gold, so how many kills are you feeding her? From 2600 she'd need to be 3/0 to get a Gunblade at 7.
what teamfights when akali can start roaming and picking off everything after like 1 item
I have a dream that one day Silver players will understand how CC works. Of course it won't happen, because if they did they wouldn't be Silver anymore.
Red Wreckage1 voteso high elo overlord.....3-0 at 7 minutes is very very common occurance in Gold and below
and cc is pretty much useless....when ADC and sp are both level 5 with not even 1 complete. u can run after cc'ing her....o wait, its akali. nvm ur dead.
chipndip14 votes[{quoted}](name=Red Wreckage,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Als6hTzR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-11-23T10:52:12.024+0000)
what teamfights when akali can start roaming and picking off everything after like 1 item at around 7 minutes into game?
Why are you feeding so hard that she has a completed item by 7 minutes?
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesY'know with quinn, panth, jayce, kennen, gnar, occasional vayne, teemo and other no counterplay bullshit saying "they fall off" isn't sufficient anymore for us toplane mains to deal with this bullshit.
AirKingNeo1 votesyeah but quinn actually falls off. Teemo is broken with Aery.
The rest don't actually fall off that hard. Not like Pantheon is a 45% winrate post 35 minutes.
Troll for Trump3 votesTeemo isn't really broken, and falls off too. Less hard than Quinn. Panth definitely falls off. His winrate is high because of how good he is, but he still falls off really hard. Gnar doesn't. Jayce does. Kennen doesn't. Vayne doesn't. He didn't mention GP, but Gp doesn't either
In general, ranged top laners are just cancerous to play against
AirKingNeo1 votesTeemo is probably still broken with Summon Aery.
Pantheon doesn't actually fall off that hard. Not sure how the myth of his late game being god awful is bad, it's perfectly fine, which is an issue when his early game is auto win.
Troll for Trump2 votesTeemo is annoying in lane, but I wouldn't say broken, because of how Teemo works as a champ. If he gets fed, he's not really going to carry.
Pantheon falls off because, whenever you look at graphs of his winrate overtime, it decreases significantly as the game progresses.
What's happening now is that he has an extremely high winrate, so even as time progresses, the winrate is still high. For instance, if he were more balanced, and his winrate early game was 53%, his lategame winrate would be something like 43%
But right now, his winrate from 0-20 min is an absurd 59%, so, even as his winrate decreases over time, it's still a hefty 49%
If you look at KR, Panth has an early game winrate of 54.4%, which eventually winds up to 38.96% at 40+min
A separate issue would be the snowbally and faster games which all benefit Panth.
AirKingNeo1 votesTeemo was broken with Aery. Not sure anymore.
Pantheon stays above 50% until post 40, where it's I believe 49%.
Pantheon shouldn't even be viable.
Red Wreckage6 votesWhy put "assassins" in the title when your post is about one specific champion?
1 Akali =/= assassins
Succubús GF7 votesThe subject, assassins. The point was the boards defends assassins (PLURAL) a lot. Akali is an assassin, therefore my post talks about a problematic assassin |(singular) I know English is hard but like get it together
So i know generally nerfing assassins isnt the boards favorite.
Red Wreckage3 votesur subject is akali, not assassins u got pwnd by some akali, not a Yi/rengar
boards defend assassins for good reason, they're already weak, very very few may defend akali, cause its busted shit.
nice akali game...can't beat 'em so join 'em :D
Succubús GF8 votesSee when a certain champion is problematic in my eyes, I have a tendency to PLAY that champion and verify if the player was just good or if it was a balance issue or not But of course I wouldn't expect less from a silver yi main Good bye [sg-ahri-2]
Koutetsujô5 votesOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH roasted
Provengreil1 voteshe's not wrong though...While his items have been aped by the ADCs, duskblade is a thing, and his kit is largely unviable in a juggercarry shielding meta, Zed for instance is actually a decent champ design. very little CC, no meaningful reward for tankiness so that's never becoming a thing, needs to work for kills unless fed (in which case he's reaping the reward for the kills he worked for) but also gives clear options and timings an opposing team can work around.
So when you say assassins, I tend to think zed and talon. I click into the thread only to find akali.
YumaS2Astral3 votesThe problem with Akali is that the tools that Akali need to be even remotely playable at mid lane make her broken at top lane.
Abibyama2 votesTime for another round of Akali hate memes?
THE RlVER KlNG2 voteskatarina is pretty dominant right now too.
I wouldn't mind a nerf or two I ban her every game.
droptrooper1121 votesas a kat main a nerf is something i wouldn't like but wouldn't hate she's in a fucking dumb balance right now i feel any nerf would kill her especially her early game but it would stop her late game deletion her passive is strong in team fights but obvious in 1v1 her Q hurts but easily telegraphed her W's buff is strong but very short her E is fine and no one would just stand in her R the only way to not make her as strong as she is would be another rework but i don't think she can handle another one. I love maining her but in high elo i know she's cancer
Troll for Trump2 votesMost assassins need somewhat good early games to scale. Either good, safe, or a combination of both. They need their early snowball before they fall off. What's not ok is for champs to be good early and good late; that would be champs like current GP, Yas, Fiora, a couple of ADCs, and so on.
Early game power-wise, Talon can cheese early on so I don't see why Akali can't
TheFallenShaw1 votesIt's not the champion but the runes now. Although I saw we revert the Pink ward changes to akili . She's not stealthed she's standing in a dam smoke cloud, so it should be considered camo. and there is no counter play for champions that rely on AA and actually clicking a target. If not reverting the Pink ward change, then have the dam cloud disapear the more bodys are in it. Ak is 1, trynda is 2 so disappears 20% faster than the skill says. As people in it fan the smoke away.
Or Enemy champions remove the fog where ever they move over it at. While the skill is active akilai can replace removed fog 3 times. By standing on the spot and reactivateing this ability fog is restored to all spots you and your allyied champions are standing.
To the OP
I believe Urgot out trades her with his W into E Q and walk around with shot gunds aaing. Use W if she's in the dam shroad I may be wrong but i believe it targets her even in it.
Generalist1 votesWhat kind of champ pull do you play against her? Problem is akali isn't the only champ that sits in this camp. Shes part of the manaless class of assassin champs making her very safe to pick and rarely punished cause of her spam ability. Back in season 3 mana champs had one advantage over manaless as they had hard cc abilities at the sacrifice of damage overall or longer cd. Now there are so many items/runemasteries that I can pick as an akali, zed, yasuo,rengar to counter or bait out you one hard cc and then slaughter you when its on cd. In yasuo case I have 3 ways to bait out you cc ability not including any item i may pick up in store.
Hopefully the askew balance towards these champs gets adjusted soon as the future looks dim otherwise
Feathermane1 votesStealth should be removed in all forms. There is not a moment when it feels good. My favorite stealth champion is actually 
and that says it all.
AirKingNeo1 votesI agree, because Akali shouldn't be an auto win top lane with 0 counterplay.
PhantomPrankster1 votesBut like can we at LEAST give akali a bad lane phase. Fucking ridiculous that I cant out trade her with anyone. Do you know how many matchups she can run ignite and kill at lv 3-4? Its fucking stupid! Seriously.
what? most of the playerbase hates assassins what are you talking about.
Kinkou Order1 votesCan we also make Veigar's event horizon a wall instead of a circle? It would be so much less frustrating to have to deal with.