Is ezreal jungle gonna stay viable?

Succubús GF·Sep 25, 2017·5 votes·2,561 views

Asking for a friend. Because honestly its fucking obnoxious. Quinn jungle wasn't very fun to deal with either. To be fair graves jg isn't too frustrating. But with the q buff and it being applicable to red buff its just fucking annoying to deal with. So I just want to know is it going to stay this strong or is it gonna get changed? I seem to remember supports being gutted into one lane... I seem to remember zyra being gutted into a support .. I seem to recall lissandra being nerfed for top lane prescence/ I seem to recall solo lulu being gutted/. So why is it the only exception when its an adc branching out? Hmmm. [sg-lux-2]

Also if someone links the 49% wr with ezreal trying to state its not good. Notice it is a 3% pick rate. High play rate = Lower win rate

25 Comments

God RaijinSep 25, 20176 votes

My only issue with these boards in general, is that if anything is good, even just slightly good, it MUST be TOO-GOOD! And then they cry nerfs for the next 30 days in 10,000 threads until riot guts it.

Its like this, players have complained for months that ezreal is trash, even a "troll-pick" bot lane, because hes not that good into tanks. he had one of the lowest winrates in the game, and that he "isn't a champion" until item 3004 is stacked and item 3078 is done.

Like, the SECOND he becomes viable again: "OH NO! he can't be viable, or even slightly good for that matter, lets nerf him soon after he becomes playable for the first time in like a year. "

kiyoSep 25, 20171 votes

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My only issue with these boards in general, is that if anything is good, even just slightly good, it MUST be TOO-GOOD! And then they cry nerfs for the next 30 days in 10,000 threads until riot guts it.

Its like this, players have complained for months that ezreal is trash, even a "troll-pick" bot lane, because hes not that good into tanks. he had one of the lowest winrates in the game, and that he "isn't a champion" until is stacked and is done.

Like, the SECOND he becomes viable again: "OH NO! he can't be viable, or even slightly good for that matter, lets nerf him soon after he becomes playable for the first time in like a year. "

I love Ezreal and I hate having no other way of playing and enjoying him in the game. I wish they could rework his kit to be useful in multiple roles and not just be stuck as a worse Lucian.

Mig89Sep 25, 20172 votes

This. His ganks are just like any other ranged AD champ. He has no utility. Hes pretty safe and has some range but cant lock you down coming in. People complain because his gank style isnt something theyre used to even though hes easy to play around.

SpookyNeedleSep 25, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=God Raijin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AjEbadBN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-25T08:53:50.180+0000)

My only issue with these boards in general, is that if anything is good, even just slightly good, it MUST be TOO-GOOD! And then they cry nerfs for the next 30 days in 10,000 threads until riot guts it.

Its like this, players have complained for months that ezreal is trash, even a "troll-pick" bot lane, because hes not that good into tanks. he had one of the lowest winrates in the game, and that he "isn't a champion" until is stacked and is done.

Like, the SECOND he becomes viable again: "OH NO! he can't be viable, or even slightly good for that matter, lets nerf him soon after he becomes playable for the first time in like a year. "

They don't mind when an odd champ is played as ADC, but when an ADC is in another role…

Also Ez isn't viable botlane

God RaijinSep 25, 20171 votes

Right, I mean, when the opposing ADC has item 1038 , you couldn't even buy item 3070 + item 1037 . I just meant when he's viable at all anywhere players seem to go bananas because he's "annoying"

Also just a funny thing about ezreal is that he has been "trying" to be a jungler for years, Back when blue ezreal was invented, he took spirit of the lizard elder (jungle item) and Riot didn't like laners taking jungle items so they nerfed it, and then later on, Ezreal started going ap mid with Runeglave (another jungle item) and riot didn't like it, so they nerfed/removed it. Well, now he's taking item 1412 , will history repeat itself? or will riot think it's different enough because he's actually in the jungle?

Succubús GFSep 25, 20171 votes

My main issue is him being in the jungle. There isn't a way to punish him for good clears. It's a lot like Quinn jungle, it shouldn't really have been a thing but it was, Also they just recently BUFFED ezreal, but imo it was in the wrong direction, just buffing Q makes him lose out on a lot of his kit. |It gets to a point where Ezreal's pickrate being number 3 in the jungle is just too much, because it generally isn't fun to play against. I don't think a single jungler can punish him effectively and his clear time feels faster than nidalee's that's for sure. I just majorly have an issue with the contradictions of "X champion cant go out of their lane but adc can"

Rockem SockmSep 25, 20173 votes

How bout they actually fix him as a laner and get rid of this jungle bullshit.

AlienPrimateSep 25, 20172 votes

I played Taric jungle against Ez jungle and completely crushed Ez. He never got his buffs because I took all of them and I either killed him or got him so low that he couldn't farm and had to go back about 4 times. He is extremely vulnerable early game and easy to shut down.

Need Gold 4 TentSep 26, 20171 votes

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I played Taric jungle against Ez jungle and completely crushed Ez. He never got his buffs because I took all of them and I either killed him or got him so low that he couldn't farm and had to go back about 4 times. He is extremely vulnerable early game and easy to shut down.

you waifu beater!

SohleksSep 25, 20172 votes

The cooldown reduce buff on his early game Q on patch 7.15 was the most missplaced buff I've ever seen. It did nothing for ADC Ezreal to compete with overpowered crit adcs through the course of the game when he always can and has kept distance in lane. His winrate actually went down on that patch.

Then with the Q ratio increase on 7.17 that's a double buff for his primary ability. Still no crit adc though so someone smart began running him in the jungle.

:thinking:

quasistellarSep 27, 20171 votes

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The cooldown reduce buff on his early game Q on patch 7.15 was the most missplaced buff I've ever seen. It did nothing for ADC Ezreal to compete with overpowered crit adcs through the course of the game when he always can and has kept distance in lane. His winrate actually went down on that patch.

Then with the Q ratio increase on 7.17 that's a double buff for his primary ability. Still no crit adc though so someone smart began running him in the jungle.

:thinking:

I agree his Q buffs are misplaced. He needs mana cost reductions and a slightly more effective W spell. That's really all he needs. If he had mana cost reductions he could stop having to take Tear. If his W did. . . like. . . something it would be a huge improvement. Mana reduction or base damage increase or AD scaling added. Just make it worth casting :(

Colgate GatorSep 25, 20172 votes

Hopefully not, it's such an obnoxious pick.

RexxieeSep 25, 20171 votes

Hopefully not.

Its basically a pre nerf jungle nidalee, the early game is absurd.

BeatzBoyFTWSep 25, 20171 votes

Riot stated that they're fine with Ezreal finding roles outside bot lane, unless if he becomes overbearing in most elos, they will initiate nerfs for him.

PhairdySep 25, 20171 votes

To be honest, 3% pick rate is far from high play rate. Looking at you LeeSin . That being said, ezreal is finally viable again after being useless for +- 1 year. Cut him some slack, ezreal jungle is squishy as heck and people do not use the time frames he got to kill him. If he uses his Arcane Shift punish him for it.

UnboundHadesSep 25, 20171 votes

Nah it relies on early top or mif ganks with red and 2 blinks the counterplay is just be passive till level 4 then he's stuck farming jg which he's not the best at

Mig89Sep 25, 20171 votes

But he can farm quickly and has safe clears.

PhairdySep 25, 20171 votes

lol, literally every other jungler clears quicker than ezreal does. He has no built in sustain or damage reduction. If you force him to jungle you can either push hard because the other laner does not have a jungler to back him up.

or just find him in the jungle and kill him like the squishy baby he is.

Succubús GFSep 25, 20171 votes

His w is his sustain and also his clear is just as fast as nidalee lol.

PhairdySep 26, 20171 votes

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His w is his sustain and also his clear is just as fast as nidalee lol.

Multiple citations needed

HildebrandSep 26, 20172 votes

Bruh his W hasn't healed him for YEARS, it doesn't hit monsters and also WHAT

The Last BalladSep 25, 20172 votes

just be passive till level 4

push hard because the other laner does not have a jungler to back him up

So push hard, yet be passive? Those are mutually exclusive...

lol, literally every other jungler clears quicker than ezreal does.

A jungler must have a fast clear and good damage, or sufficient tankyness/utility to make up for their slower clear, this season in order to be considered a good jungler.

If the pro's are picking him at all, then he must fit that criteria. And since he has no cc nor tankyness, he must have damage and a fast clear. Not to mention his passive fully stacked gives him a total of 1.13 AS, which junglers love them some of that AS, and he should have a 100% hit ratio on his q in the jungle(the monsters don't move), which does 93 + on hit(such as the 25 from machete) lvl 1(without runes), and it applies lifesteal too. And that is every 4 seconds.

find him in the jungle and kill him like the squishy baby he is.

Like every other squishy jungler ? Did you forget he has a slightly longer ranged flash on a low cooldown? Not to mention Ezreal can duel early game when he actually builds damage instead of tear.

PhairdySep 26, 20171 votes

Yep pro's are picking him. Do remember that pro's do stuff like lee mid and rek with it. Don't compare yourself to pro's they have way more understanding about the game and the champion they are playing so ofcourse they will be doing better in every way. Comparing that to the average league player is comparing apples to oranges.

As for his flash, loads of people use it offensively, which is dumb but a normal idea considering it is a huge part of damage in his kit. If he uses it for escape it deals no damage. And he just lost half of his kit worth of damage.

If he uses it to engage he will be vulnerable and you should punish him for it. With lee, kha or even elise you should have NO problem dealing with him if you can play your champ even a little.