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Isnt this supposed to be a team game?

Rexxiee··23 votes·1,345 views

Then how come junglers (1 player out of 5, 2 out of 10) get to decide if i get to have a laning phase or not top lane?

If i get camped and my jungler is afk farming, not only i dont get to play laning phase, but we are probably going to auto lose the game since junglers decide all of the early game and as you know, if 1 team wins 3 lanes they kind of win 90% of the time, since after camping top he'll move to other lanes WHILE NOT BEING BEHIND (thanks catchup exp) and then shit all over the whole map in 10 minutes.

When the only counterplay to junglers early game now is : call your jungler or hope your jungler isnt bad something is wrong.

Junglers need to be weaker early game, period, junglers need less exp and income than solos and less explosive powerspikes early on, why is the role that PvE's and gets to impact every lane early game get so much exp for free? Back then junglers would be usually same level as BOT/duo lane, not same lvl as solos (or ahead lmao) while camping lanes wtf.

In fact back then if they camped a lane for 1~2 minutes and didnt get kills out of it they would fall behind even duo lanes (so you could play safe as a solo laner knowing that if you didnt die, you removed their jungler from the game for a good while), now they just go and clear chickens and bam same level as solos again, its just toxic, bad gameplay that is rewarded.

Tone down junglers early game and im sure, sure ppl enjoy playing top lane more.

25 Comments

Oxyrotten4 votes

I typically tell my jungler not to bother ganking, focus botside control and I will just play from behind.

No expectations, no disappointment.

Salson3 votes

Nah, Rito's been clear about balance for a while now. They want all roles to have an equal pick rate, even if their game influence suffers.

So because more people prefer solo lanes when they are balanced, as relying on others isn't very fun, they will gut them without a problem.

Jungle has been insane since S7...but hey Faker finally lost, so mission accomplished. Support items have also been buffed to kingdom come so much, the balance team has problems preventing them from being used by farming roles. And those only get some 80% of the item's power.

xelaker2 votes

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Then how come junglers (1 player out of 5, 2 out of 10) get to decide if i get to have a laning phase or not top lane?

If i get camped and my jungler is afk farming, not only i dont get to play laning phase, but we are probably going to auto lose the game since junglers decide all of the early game and as you know, if 1 team wins 3 lanes they kind of win 90% of the time, since after camping top he'll move to other lanes WHILE NOT BEING BEHIND (thanks catchup exp) and then shit all over the whole map in 10 minutes.

When the only counterplay to junglers early game now is : call your jungler or hope your jungler isnt bad something is wrong.

Junglers need to be weaker early game, period, junglers need less exp and income than solos and less explosive powerspikes early on, why is the role that PvE's and gets to impact every lane early game get so much exp for free? Back then junglers would be usually same level as BOT/duo lane, not same lvl as solos (or ahead lmao) while camping lanes wtf.

In fact back then if they camped a lane for 1~2 minutes and didnt get kills out of it they would fall behind even duo lanes (so you could play safe as a solo laner knowing that if you didnt die, you removed their jungler from the game for a good while), now they just go and clear chickens and bam same level as solos again, its just toxic, bad gameplay that is rewarded.

Tone down junglers early game and im sure, sure ppl enjoy playing top lane more.

ganks make for big LCS plays, ain't gonna get toned down for awhile.

Pika Fox2 votes

This post can be summed up as:

"Isnt this supposed to be a team game? Then why is a team mate playing like it is a team game? Teamwork OP!"

yZfYArlene1 votes

Top lane has the least impact of any lane. I generally never gank top unless I know for a fact we will get a kill or a tower off of it. I let my top laner get camped and either farm and take objectives or gank other lanes.

That is just how it goes and you have to get used to it

Rexxiee7 votes

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Top lane has the least impact of any lane. I generally never gank top unless I know for a fact we will get a kill or a tower off of it. I let my top laner get camped and either farm and take objectives or gank other lanes.

That is just how it goes and you have to get used to it

If you're not going top at 2:30 after killing both buffs you're doing it wrong.

Top laners are free gold to junglers early game, not only that but also free snowball since now you'll put your top into a unloseable position too (unless hes beyond awful), all you have to do is gank first and more than the other jungler and you'll win every game in this season, its retarded on how dumbed down the jungle and the game is atm.

MinatureBeast3 votes

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If you're not going top at 2:30 after killing both buffs you're doing it wrong.

Top laners are free gold to junglers early game, not only that but also free snowball since now you'll put your top into a unloseable position too (unless hes beyond awful), all you have to do is gank first and more than the other jungler and you'll win every game in this season, its retarded on how dumbed down the jungle and the game is atm.

im sorry man but that is a biased opinon because like he just said you could get your top lanner fed and still lose the game. if you get your adc or mid ahead then you have a better chance then a fed gnar.

Rexxiee4 votes

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im sorry man but that is a biased opinon because like he just said you could get your top lanner fed and still lose the game. if you get your adc or mid ahead then you have a better chance then a fed gnar.

Cant you read?

You get YOURSELF FED by farming the other top laner that cant do shit about you since you're ganking with full health with double buffs + a level ahead, then you move to other lanes.

Why do you think in high elo every single game there are 2 junglers top at 2:30? Because if one shows up and the other doesnt the one that shows up already auto wins 1 lane as early as 3 minutes in, now sure that varies since against tanks you can let your top tank lose lane and they'll still be useful so you 2:30 gank mid instead to win that lane, but the same applies to whatever lane the jungler decides its not going to be able to play lane.

WacingTheFind1 votes

What if, I don't know, the toplaner actually expects you to gank, and actually plays safe?

flibitydoo3 votes

then they lose because if you back off the lane at level freaking 1 before the first minion wave has died, then the enemy top laner get's a 2-3 level advantage over you and they freeze and zone and you can no longer lane period.

Do you even play league of legends or are you like a smite/hotS player that stumbled into this forum?

WacingTheFind1 votes

Playing safe doesn't mean backing off the lane, who the fuck told you that? And 2-3lvl advantage? You do realize that you can get xp from minions from quite the distance, right?

yZfYArlene1 votes

This is wrong. Mid gank at 2:30 is just as easy and that role can actually carry.

Sometimes I gank top at 230 depending on the circumstance but that is generally the only time i gank top unless it is 100 percent a free kill.

Sorry im not going to camp for our Sion when i could be camping for our orianna.

Got me to D3 so it works pretty well i would think

Rexxiee4 votes

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This is wrong. Mid gank at 2:30 is just as easy and that role can actually carry.

Sometimes I gank top at 230 depending on the circumstance but that is generally the only time i gank top unless it is 100 percent a free kill.

Sorry im not going to camp for our Sion when i could be camping for our orianna.

Got me to D3 so it works pretty well i would think

What i said about top lane applies to mid lane or any other lane.

Im just saying 2:30 ganks are beyond unfair for laners, regardless what lanes recieves them.

yZfYArlene2 votes

You are provided a free ward, use it

Xion The XIV1 votes

The only time I actually ever gank top is if it's a Yasuo/Riven Both champions known for their screams in all chat. The problem atm is a Tank can not really carry as hard as they used too. Not with all these items that can burn a tank down in seconds. It's a safer and a better option to get Mid fed and then have them roam around with you killing ADC/JG.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Riot right now is just nerfing junglers rather the the jungle itself. Kayn seems to be in a fair spot, so maybe they'll balance everyone around him or something idk.

LordGeovanni1 votes

thats called spreading influence which is what the jungler role is supposed to do for any lane they choose and is positioned badlly. What is bad that top laners dont have a laneing phase with or without jungle interferance but they also scale poorly with items as tanks or fighters (not top lane mages and ranged tops)

VelvetCrotch1 votes

nonono. it's a protect-the-carry-team-with-all-you-got game. if you lack a proper carry or CC-bots then you will - sorry - lose.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

"Isnt this supposed to be a team game, then why am i losing to a jungler working with his team?" If your jungler afk farms you will still lose lane to a jungler who's camping you regardless of how early he gets to spike

Ahri Baka1 votes

It's not like Top is the only lane for that Down here from mid , at level 6 we are free gold too , especially if I take a fancy skin on a mastery level 7 champion that isn't played a lot in my Elo I usually get camped and they can dive me at level 6 everytime I play Ahri Taliyah Orianna Syndra

Escheton1 votes

Are you familiar with the wonder that is Karthus Top? -Play like a pussy, still get cs because of range -Possible to bully certain match-ups -Ult gets free kills, assists and team participation while your presence Top forces the enemy Toplaner to stay in lane or lose farm/tower. -Very hard to gank without giving him a kill (or 2) under his tower. -Lack of need to babysit means your jungler can camp botlane all they want. (Giving you free kills and assists if your ult is up)

Total Eclipse1 votes

jungle is undoubtedly a little overtuned. jg dmg needs to go up to prevent chain ganks. failing a gank no longer seems like puniohsment

Hügö1 votes

I gank the lane that is the easiest to gank, which is mostly top because top laners are all stupid as fuck. Still to stupid to prevent the minute 3 gank, and when respawning directly tp in the middle of the lane so why not take free kills and easy wins?

sAyCo1 votes

junglers should stay more time in jungle, and losing a lot of gold, time, exp, if they ganked a lane and it didn't succeed.

BIue Monk1 votes

Let's not even talk of the fact that Top and Jungler can be premades. Tbh I just report premades for cheat, because that is what it is, when you're solo.

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