List of Non-Riven mains who are sad that Riven's win rate fell

FalconPawwwwnch·Nov 18, 2015·127 votes·6,630 views

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HauntNov 18, 201552 votes

period is probably PISSED

Not KatarinaNov 18, 201512 votes

. "i cant believe this has happened, i am outraged, there must be compensation as i am a diamond II riven main or else you're gonna get it rito mark my words i'm on my . this week you don't wanna mess with me"

Slamurai JackNov 18, 201531 votes

Don't get too excited. Winrates this low usually lead to significant buffs.

RalanrNov 18, 20152 votes

Well fuck.

Only Play DariusNov 18, 201533 votes

Elise sat in the low-40's for months.

SaphixiaNov 18, 201511 votes

Yeah but she is a jungler other than Lee Sin, she would probs get nerfed even more if someone noticed

Gregor GysiNov 18, 20153 votes

Yes, but they recently nerfed Riven's Ultimate CD - if they were to buff her now, they'd've to admit a mistake. Noo, Riven is not gonna get anything for at least half a year. But whatever, 44 is a nice number. 44% winrate is alright.

IcyPepperNov 18, 201512 votes

if they were to buff her now, they'd've to admit a mistake.

Not... really. The meta has shifted, so what Riven's power was before compared to now doesn't necessarily mean Riot made a mistake. She was in a good spot then, and that was okay. If she got buffed now, it would be because of the massive changes they made and would have nothing to do with her nerf in the previous state of the game (which is now radically different).

Blue Moon WolfNov 18, 20152 votes

noooo, my MonkeyKing can't handle her getting buffs, she already has too much AOE for him to begin with :(

Critmaster GarenNov 18, 201526 votes

riven suffers from the annie syndrome.

shes bursty and has enough cc to lock you up during her chain, to not allow you to move an inch while it happens. its just flash+w = dead.

im really only bothered with her animation canceling cheese and stun. they should maybe look into tuning down her w to a slow at the very least before they touch her with buffs again.

shes mobile enough to run away from almost every situation and to reliably engage. there needs to be a window of time for you to react before she unleashes hell on you.

fééd l0rdNov 18, 201517 votes

the animation canceling is what makes her deadly, if abused to fully potential she is more than annoying.

SaiannaNov 18, 20154 votes

It's other way around. Annie has Riven Syndrome. While Riven has Riven syndrome.

NegusInParisNov 19, 20152 votes

All Riven players have Stockholm syndrome

Kobila2000Nov 18, 20157 votes

Well at least she has mana to keep her in check. Oh wait...

TotalJerkNov 18, 20156 votes

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there needs to be a window of time for you to react before she unleashes hell on you.

Oh there's plenty of time to react to Riven, that's not the problem. The problem is that a lot of champions can see her coming and still aren't able to do shit about it. Her main problem IMO is she has an answer to almost everything and a LOT of champions don't have that same luxury.

Teemo or FeedmoNov 18, 201519 votes

i'm happy about that. RIVEN NEEDS TO GO DOWN! TEEMO NEEDS TO GO UP!

TEEMO>RIVEN! Teemo Teemo Teemo Teemo Teemo

MelledoneusNov 18, 20159 votes

Get out of here, you crazy cultist.

Teemo or FeedmoNov 18, 201512 votes

NO! TEEMO>YOU! HUP,2,3,4!

Lithium RosaNov 18, 20152 votes

Teemo is even more toxic than Riven yeah, totally Toxic. Both of them need to go to hell anyway

BetaDude40Nov 19, 20155 votes

How do you send someone to Hell when they're already there? Teemo

Juju131313Nov 19, 20152 votes

Logged in just to upvote. ALL HAIL OUR LORD Teemo !

I Miss CannonNov 18, 201515 votes

She could have a 5% winrate and would still be annoying as hell, so...

FANTAsticOrangeNov 18, 201510 votes

List of Non-Riven@ mains who are sad that Riven's@ win rate fell

You can put any champion in the space of Riven. Chances are it'd still be true.

Kobila2000Nov 18, 20155 votes

Except it wouldn't. Most champions would not have people cheering and celebrating when they get nerfed. Can you possibly imagine someone like Urgot getting nerfed and everyone being happy about it? People would call Riot insane. Ever heard of "Better nerf Irelia"?

This is like that "any champion is OP when fed" bs. Except they aren't.

ShyvauniNov 18, 20153 votes

Except they are.

Name one champion who is not irritating when fed vs non fed foes?

Vincent LuciusNov 18, 20152 votes

Full tank Soraka makes no enemies.

ShyvauniNov 18, 20154 votes

Full tank soraka is also an odd build to go if fed XD.

Kobila2000Nov 18, 20157 votes

Teemo. Alistar. Anivia. Braum. MF. Kog'Maw. Janna. TF. Varus. Sejuani. Vel'Koz. Trundle. Shyvana. Yorick. Renekton. Ziggs. Warwick. Karthus. Malzahar. Heimerdinger. Cass. Aatrox. Diana. Caitlyn. Ashe. Singed. Shaco. Pantheon. Renekton. Evelyn. I could go on, but I'm sure you can figure it out for yourself.

And "irritating" is completely different from "OP". Nice job rewording what I said to try and make a stupid statement seem like it makes sense. Fact is not everyone has an easy time getting fed. Getting fed as Katarina is a piece of cake. Getting fed as Karthus, not so much. Also some champions need a ton of kills to reach OP status, others take only a couple. Along with that, not every champion is unstoppable once fed if they can still be murdered with ease. Are you really going to tell me that a fed Karthus is as much of a threat as a fed Riven, when it takes a blow of the breeze to kill the former? Or that a fed Nautilus is more dangerous than a fed Vayne? Or that a fed Viktor is just as strong as a fed Yi? Because I don't think you've been playing this game if you can.

ShyvauniNov 18, 20152 votes

Teemo nicknamed satan for a reason.

Alistar is one of the champs that goes from OP to UP based on items and other nerfs/buffs.

Braum was deemed op and still gets accused of it especially when fed.

Mf when fed has a habit of shutting teams down.

KOG MAW is a hyper carry. The very definition of if i get fed i am scary.

I could go on about how every champion you listed is wrong. I Changed from OP to irritating becuase i believe no champion is OP. Just frustrating/hard to deal with given the right circumstances.

Karthus is as much of a threat as riven simply becuase he can still pwnta your team while dead. Riven is easily cced to death and then she is useless while dead.

A fed viktor is just as strong as a fed Yi, however in different situations.

I doubt you know much about the game at all with your broad sweeping generalizations. Are certain champions unbalanced? Yes. However OP is more than just being unbalanced.

Kobila2000Nov 19, 20156 votes

Anyone who outranges Teemo shits on him no matter how fed he is. People don't seriously fear him. They just hate his mushrooms and get pissed of when they step on them. Sorry that this running gag made you feel that Teemo ever poses a threat to the enemy team. Alistar is a tank, you're seriously telling me he scares you? Do you have traumas from URF mode? You actually think Braum is broken when he gets fed because of items? Yeah, early game Braum so useless. MF has no escapes making her an easy target for assassins. Her ult is also interruptable. Kog, again, easy as heck to murder. Same for Karthus. They can dish out tons of damage if the enemy is too stupid to focus them or if the enemy happens to not play pretty much any champions who are overused (hint hint, there might be a reason for that). They also, again, need to work on getting fed. You can survive with low defenses (e.g. Jinx) if your damage and kit are enough to get you fed.

Ah yes, "no champion is OP", of course. The main motto of low elo that should be engraved onto our badges. It's like you guys have a pamphlet you share among yourselves with encouraging sentences that have nothing to do with how the game actually works. Riddle me this mate, if no champion is OP, how come so many champions get completely neglected, while others get abused to no end? Coincidence? Conspiracy? Do we just magically get thousands of people who are suddenly "sooo skilled" with a champion that just happens to be considered strong or downright broken? And then with new patches thousands of people just magically become "sooo skilled" at other champions? Why do you think classes like support and tank exist? Precisely because not every champion poses the same danger when fed.

A fed Viktor's abilities can be avoided. His laser is a skillshot. His ult takes a hellova lot of time to deal damage. Lacking escapes, he can also be murdered if people flash/dash out of his stun field. Meanwhile a fed Yi can murder your team without anyone even having time to react. In general champions with skillshots, squishiness and little mobility are fairly easy to shut down if focused.

ShyvauniNov 19, 20151 votes

Funny you comment on my elo when all of your complaints are majorly made by those with an even lower ELO than me.

So if my elo being low is why i believe there are no op champions than explain why many high elo players feel the same as I do on it hmm?

All of you explanations on why those champs are never truly scary can be applied to the same champs you cry are OP. I suggest you stop getting boosted and play yourself as you opiniond are only ever made by bronze whiners.

Kobila2000Nov 19, 20153 votes

I comment on your elo because I've never seen anyone above it claim champions can't OP. People in higher elos actually know the game and they know which champions are OP currently. That's why they play them so much, not because a ton of specific champion mains suddenly gained massive skills in outplaying everyone. Same as when Nidalee was broken af, literally the only people saying she wasn't ("just avoid her spears") were low elo.

Hard PenetratorNov 18, 20159 votes

Too bad i don't feel like playing in preseason. Weak riven would be like Christmas present for me.

AbrahamBaconhamNov 18, 20152 votes

That sounds like a personal problem.

RikariNov 18, 20158 votes

List of Non-Riven mains who know how to play against her . . .

iamthegoatofwarNov 18, 201512 votes

raises hand I know how. I still hate her but I know how to do it.

Tryhard MittensNov 18, 20153 votes

Her win rate is sub 50% in all categories, and nobody knows how to play against her? Is Riven just running out and self destructing or something?

LovelleNov 18, 20153 votes

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Her win rate is sub 50% in all categories, and nobody knows how to play against her? Is Riven just running out and self destructing or something?

Most are trying to play her the same way as they did before the penetration changes and are losing because of that.

ProfDrDeathNov 18, 20154 votes

This is actually evident in both most popular and highest winrate builds on champion.gg.

http://champion.gg/champion/Riven/Top

Both builds are more reminiscent of how to build her before the changes. Builds that are good on her after the changes should probably include item 3812 item 3071 item 3142 .

charcharmunroNov 18, 20157 votes

And yet every game I've been in there seems to be a damned Riven. I don't even find her OP or anything, she is just so damn ANNOYING to fight, especially as two of the people I often play top-lane, Sion and Singed. Sion may as well just not HAVE a Q against her and Singed can't do much to her because it's absolutely impossible to get near her if she doesn't want to be near you. Even if you do catch up, she can just stun you and hop away again.

LovelleNov 18, 20154 votes

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And yet every game I've been in there seems to be a damned Riven. I don't even find her OP or anything, she is just so damn ANNOYING to fight, especially as two of the people I often play top-lane, Sion and Singed. Sion may as well just not HAVE a Q against her and Singed can't do much to her because it's absolutely impossible to get near her if she doesn't want to be near you. Even if you do catch up, she can just stun you and hop away again.

As a fellow Sion player I know what you mean. At least this season is a lot better for us since Brutalizer is gone and penetration is a more situational buy now. Riven remains annoying, but I find she's nowhere near as cheesy early game as she was before with Brutalizer gone. Then mid-late game it's a skill-dependent matchup (as it should be), instead of a stomp in Riven's favor (like it was before).

charcharmunroNov 18, 20153 votes

The general way the match-up tends to go recently is "Riven can't kill you because you're Sion, you can't kill her unless she all-ins you under your tower because you'll never land a Q on her." Last match I had against Riven as Sion, the only deaths I had against her were due to their jungle Olaf babysitting top-lane.

The Sword SaintNov 18, 20155 votes

True mains prefer for their champs to be tier 2 so that they can play them a lot without getting picked or banned out, and with less whining by their enemies about 'abusing an op freelo champ'.

The Bíg TicketNov 18, 20153 votes

That looks like the list of people who like playing vs Lissandra top.

RedCycloneNov 18, 20152 votes

I dont even get why it's dropped Isnt deaths dance a riven wetdream?

YumaS2AstralNov 18, 20158 votes

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I dont even get why it's dropped Isnt deaths dance a riven wetdream?

It probably has to do with the fact that Tiamat got nerfed and The Brutalizer no longer exists as an item.

SO she can get neither a big powerspike nor waveclear during the early game. Which means she can't snowball as hard.

Also, armor penetration in general has been nerfed.

Betoldia PrimeNov 18, 20158 votes

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It probably has to do with the fact that Tiamat got nerfed and The Brutalizer no longer exists as an item.

SO she can get neither a big powerspike nor waveclear during the early game. Which means she can't snowball as hard.

Also, armor penetration in general has been nerfed.

Im actually happy that the Tiamat passive was removed (Even tho I was a heavy user of the item) And my reasoning is simple. it was the ONLY -Step- item that allowed you to hit multiple enemies at once, withought using an ability, so it made it unfair for champs that couldnt use it. For example Fiora vs Malphite. He has great waveclear, but it takes 2 abilities to clear the wave, while fiora with that item takes 3 AA and an item active. Hes using mana, Shes not, hes getting ultra pushed even tho he has an advantage over her, and shes just laughing in his face. But NOW, she has to fight on par with him. and this aplies to all champs that used to abuse the step itemo to win. as an Olaf main, the change actually hurt, because since there is no aoe, i have less health back from my W. but i see it as a fair change.

Tryhard MittensNov 18, 20151 votes

Newb question: Is there a reason people don't build triforce on riven? With the new cdr, the ability spamming, and her passive, you'd think it'd work well together. Does her kit not proc sheen?

rmch99Nov 18, 20155 votes

Useless mana, a good riven will combo fast enough that you can only get off like 1 MAYBE 2 sheen procs due to the internal cooldown, movespeed is a pretty meh stat on her due to her mobility, crit chance is near useless, attack speed is a luxury, you get phage passive from Black Cleaver, and you're ALWAYS maxing out CDR anyway by full build. Plus it's expensive enough to delay her build a lot, and not very good late, which is when you could fit it in.