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Caitlyn is picked in LCK when broken ADCs are banned

Ahristocats··26 votes·2,809 views

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And the balance team concludes from this, that they should make Cait so broken to end up in ban tier too

=?

From there i stopped understanding the way you think, it's literally impossilbe

Caitlyn does PERFECTLY FINE in any scenario except one

the scenario where KogMaw Tristana are broken there is literally no reasons to pick cait when you can play a cait that has 1000 range jump (and reset) and 1000 units knock back

it's about time that you FINALLY gut kog and trist because it's been since what? 8 months? you refused to nerf them during ardent meta

and now ardent meta is over, tank supports meta came and THEY STILL dominate

but no, let's make adcs broken to fight other broken adcs, why not? fuck every other champion that play with them first it was jinx, and now the balance team wants to buff caitlyn

You know who really needs buff? Jhin is literally unable to do anything, play him against a broken adc or an "underpowered" adc like Ashe Draven Caitlyn Jinx and you will lose because he does no damage against tanks

i understand lucian buffs i understand jhin buffs Buffing cait jinx, and soon draven ashe, is a huge mistake

and this is what you call powercreeping, something that we tried to avoid since league was created

80 Comments

VeganScout6 votes

Ashe is too high skill cap, she isnt weak

Ahristocats12 votes

i didn't say she is weak, i said she is "underpowered" notice the " because this is what people think right now

Kaìju2 votes

She does the least damage on average of any ADC. Not saying she's unplayable, just that she isn't as easily useable since she doesn't hard carry as often compared to ADs like Jinx or Draven.

Häxel2 votes

it all coem sup to how you use your Ult. If you can make a good engage you can also win games, even if you not have the damage of a Kog'maw or Twitch.

Automated Riven1 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfANT7FR,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-19T20:12:54.307+0000)

i didn't say she is weak, i said she is "underpowered" notice the " because this is what people think right now

why not just nerf kog the other overbearing marksmen.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Yeah i think i understand this one actually since i do play Ashe, unless enemy team get's something like a Rammus with early thornmail i actually feel pretty strong playing her right now, buffs should not be needed.

Unless we are looking to make all the marksmen OP, then i guess they are x)

Fairyfleur2 votes

Do you mean high skill floor?

Penns6 votes

i understand lucian buffs i understand jhin buffs

and this is what you call powercreeping, something that we tried to avoid since league was created

i dont understand any adc buffs tbh :]

Salron8 votes

Play Lucian one game and you'll understand

AirKingNeo3 votes

Loscian*

LOSINGISMYPRIDE3 votes

excuse me but lucian is by far one of the most op adc .

DASH , BURST , ULTIMATE MULTI-FUNCTION ( can be use to push , scare enemy , deal damage , low cooldown ). WAVE CLEAR .

This adc is just disgutingly good and is far kk at where it is . If you dont find any success in the bot lane play him mid .

saltran2 votes

Wait are you trolling or something? I hate Lucian but he's garbage in every aspect now.

LOSINGISMYPRIDE1 votes

Its normal that ppl thing a champion is not op because of their winrate but just look at ryze for example , Underplayed champion but in the hand of pro or main they actually fcking destroy everything because their kit are bunker . Its sure they dont have overwhelming kit like a malzahar but the damage output is really for those two , i main lucian and ryze . You can simply say whatever you want about winrate but it doesnt mean all about the champion .

VeganScout6 votes

Xayah is op and still goes under radar, you didnt even mention her

Poske7 votes

For some reason people think that its ok for her to have 3.0 AD ratio with IE and W with massive piercing attackspeed root and you cant focus me move

AirKingNeo6 votes

and press R E and half health a bruiser.

UnboundHades3 votes

legit all you have to do is fucking sidestep the e or get behind her and if shes using r for damage then you can kill her when she gets down you dont need to be a moron and stand in the middle of it and let all of them hit you

saltran2 votes

Hey but if you can dodge it by just moving or a dash it breaks the "adc only rightclick no counter play" so they ignore it.

Risk of Fate5 votes

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JabaTheHat6 votes

Ikr? I believe professional play ruins alot of champs for us normal players because balancing around them is such a big priority.

saltran1 votes

Not a Lucian player but he was nerfed because Lucian Mid, and Lucian Mid always had a crappy winrate in all elos except really high and pro play. I kinda feel bad for them.

r4ndomkill1 votes

my sweet baby lucian, they gutted him like thresh gutted senna.

saltran1 votes

Savage

Risk of Fate1 votes

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HaIlMonitor4 votes

Pro play is exactly why we have the crap storm of a game we do. They didnt want the "snooze fest" of lane swaps (even though they still just play passive) and so they altered bot tower, now the game is focused on one lane... and it isnt top or mid.

Scars 2 Success1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fate Fire,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfANT7FR,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-01-19T21:04:35.164+0000)

They better not buff Ashe, last time they did Sneaky picked her up. Let me have at least my first main, leave her be, screw with the others. I knew her before rework, I loved her after rework, I still will pick her up after being nerf batted and being left behind after Lethality changes.

By god, you can even throw Ahri in the trash tier, just no more touchy the Ashe, please

[sg-janna]

I would say it's an honor that Sneaky plays your main champ. This is coming from someone who mains jhin.

chipndip15 votes

I mean, that's kind of unfair.

You quote the LCK for why Caitlyn's fine and doesn't need buffs. Jinx hasn't been pro scene viable for a year, regardless of meta, and she's ALSO fine? How does that work?

Bârd2 votes

Maybe, but Jinx has her own problem.

The buffs going through now are essentially reverts to prior nerfs (which were done for a reason), plus a lethal tempo effect on her passive.

This is probably just going to put Jinx back in the absurd state she used to be in.

chipndip12 votes

{quoted}

Maybe, but Jinx has her own problem.

The buffs going through now are essentially reverts to prior nerfs (which were done for a reason), plus a lethal tempo effect on her passive.

This is probably just going to put Jinx back in the absurd state she used to be in.

They're removing the stacking attack speed her passive has.

They're also reducing her base AD by a bit (like 2 or 3).

The point is that Jinx won't ever be a competitive pick again unless she has an actual steroid like any other hyper carry. It's already 525 range, whereas anyone else can let loose at like 700+ range at the same attack speeds. She can at least not have it gated until level 16.

Ahristocats3 votes

Not being in the LCK doesn't mean your champion is weak Being in the LCK means your champion is fine

that's how it works

Twitch is not picked but that doesn't mean he's weak, because in this context him not being played makes sense in organized play Cait picked and this means the pros find her good when other broken adcs are banned

For Jinx, it's the same case than Cait, trist kog picked--->no reasons to pick jinx

chipndip11 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfANT7FR,comment-id=00130001,timestamp=2018-01-20T10:17:56.333+0000)

Not being in the LCK doesn't mean your champion is weak Being in the LCK means your champion is fine

that's how it works

I disagree ENTIRELY. Solo queue is an environment where some champs appear significantly stronger or weaker than they actually are. Twitch? People bitch about him, but he's just abusing solo queue. Sona? Just abuses solo queue. Jinx? Same deal. Cait? Can't abuse solo queue easily, but there's elements of how she plays that's really good if you have a team to coordinate with. This is ultimately a team game, so I'd claim that taking advantage of solo queue randomness at a 50% win rate isn't as valuable of a balancing point than actually being useful to an organized team, but on a lesser win rate.

For Jinx, it's the same case than Cait, trist kog picked--->no reasons to pick jinx

And if Jinx is overshadowed by other marksmen for a full year, then yes, something is wrong.

Ahristocats1 votes

cait can't abuse solo queue easily?

lol ok

And if Jinx is overshadowed by other marksmen for a full year, then yes, something is wrong

what? she had 50% win rate the entire year

chipndip11 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfANT7FR,comment-id=0013000100000000,timestamp=2018-01-20T20:42:39.804+0000)

cait can't abuse solo queue easily?

lol ok

If she could (as she is now), she wouldn't have such a low solo queue win rate despite still being shown interest in the pro scene, from Worlds to now.

what? she had 50% win rate the entire year

In the pro scene, I said.

The issue with your argument is that it allows you to easily pivot the goal post. Jinx and Cait don't necessarily need blatant buffs. They need power shifts that bring their solo queue and pro scene performance closer together. I see the move they're pulling on Jinx as an attempt on that front.

Ahristocats1 votes

Except i SAID she is picked when the broken adcs are banned

it's just like soloq, she has 46% win rate because other hypercarries are overpowered

chipndip11 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfANT7FR,comment-id=001300010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-20T21:04:55.638+0000)

Except i SAID she is picked when the broken adcs are banned

it's just like soloq, she has 46% win rate because other hypercarries are overpowered

Except she's been like that regardless of who was on top ever since before Worlds (and she still showed up at Worlds).

She needs a shift in gears, if anything.

Ahristocats1 votes

i'm literally starting to lose my patience with you

Before world she was top tier and beyond busted after world, kog trist twitch are broken and SINCE WORLD they didn't get nerfed

how do you expect cait to be good when nothing changes? the hell

chipndip11 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfANT7FR,comment-id=00130001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-20T21:34:04.245+0000)

i'm literally starting to lose my patience with you

Before world she was top tier and beyond busted after world, kog trist twitch are broken and SINCE WORLD they didn't get nerfed

how do you expect cait to be good when nothing changes? the hell

I'm not saying she's bad. I'm saying she doesn't abuse solo queue, and that Riot should make changes to champs so that they don't have to be overbearing in one realm to be even half decent in the other one.

Right now, Cait IS pretty aight...in organized play. In solo queue, she's been hot garbage for a long stretch of time. Jinx is the same, just the opposite way. That's "manageable", but that's settling for mediocrity if you ask me. Like how they handle Sona.

ZephyrDrake4 votes

Pro players value being safe above many things and Cait is a very safe champion so ofc they are going to pick her if all the broken things are banned and even with them picking her she really doesn't seem to offer much and is more of a hindrance than anything else

rework trundle4 votes

Riot's balance team is braindead, I highly doubt anything that makes sense will ever go live. Take the Jinx buff for example. This is the undeniable proof that their average age is higher than their average IQ.

ZephyrDrake3 votes

[{quoted}](name=le un le seul,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AfANT7FR,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2018-01-19T23:36:35.986+0000)

Riot's balance team is braindead, I highly doubt anything that makes sense will ever go live. Take the Jinx buff for example. This is the undeniable proof that their average age is higher than their average IQ.

well at least their IQ is higher than yours

rework trundle1 votes

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saltran2 votes

Wait, is this a copy-pasta? If not I will start using it anyway.

rework trundle1 votes

No, I wrote it all myself.

saltran1 votes

Oh you deleted it : ( Man that was funny can you please say it in a comment again son I can copy it? Not kidding that was a high quality troll comment.

rework trundle2 votes

It was deleted by moderation, I don't think they like my shitposting :/ https://pastebin.com/t69awVhe

Daddy Ants4 votes

Vayne "broken" in 8.1

6 appearances, 1 ban.

eks dee.

Kalista banned 27 times.

saltran3 votes

So Twicht has a 0% pick or ban in the Lck while Cait was picked 3 times: Does this mean that Cait is stronger than Twicht?

saltran2 votes

Maybe only looking at pro play pickrate, and in the pro play only looking at KR isn't the best way to see if a champ is weak or not. Pro play matters but there's more to look, or at least talk about how Cait works in the Lck, she is 1 win-2 lose, and in the games look if she's performing right or being carried, if she is a liability or if she is crucial.

Ahristocats5 votes

Twitch is worse in organised play because they will disengage and engage at the right time when he uses ult

additionally they buy pinks against his stealth to prevent him from flanking

Cait is obviously better in organised play, and if you don't count twitch that has a handicappe, the fact that she gets picked when trist/kog are banned just proves that she's decent enough to be picked and other adcs should be nerfed

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

For almost two seasons, Tristana was unplayable because Caitlyn did her job better than her. Hopefully they'll find a way to give them both their own roles this time around instead of just pushing Caitlyn back on top.

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