I love all these people talking about how Poppy is supposed to be a hypercarry

Marshbouy··10 votes·1,554 views

Yeah old poppy was, but old poppy was pretty cancerous.

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TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Well you know, people want their tanky champs to have ultimates that ignore everybody's damage and CC except for one that they choose.

Because that is balanced. Squishy champs like Yasuo and Zed that can outplay? Nah that stuff's broken nerf it and give me a tanky hypercarry that nobody can touch.

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SothaEleen4ro1 votes

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Well you know, people want their tanky champs to have ultimates that ignore everybody's damage and CC except for one that they choose.

Because that is balanced. Squishy champs like Yasuo and Zed that can outplay? Nah that stuff's broken nerf it and give me a tanky hypercarry that nobody can touch.

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ikr? Poppy was so OP that she passed old kassadin ban rate i think.

maxaroni1182 votes

to be honest poppy is pretty strong and has decent carry potential. she does shut down alot of engages and if played right, goes ham in lane.

she can also just dive their team and if shes fed, come out alive almost unscathed

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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to be honest poppy is pretty strong and has decent carry potential. she does shut down alot of engages and if played right, goes ham in lane.

she can also just dive their team and if shes fed, come out alive almost unscathed

Her carrying is utter shit, she does not have the damage to kill anyone as a tank and is too squishy to stay alive after killing someone (and combo takes too long) as an assassin.

And yes, armor pen Poppy does work. I've oneshot an adc with E+auto+Q.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

So what? Sure poppy can snowball and thank god i recorded that one game where i played raidboss poppy and fought 1v3 against talon, blitz and ezreal for straight 30 secs without dieing but did i kill someone? Only talon in the end before i died and it took me equally as long. Mind you i was 8/0/something. Tanks are generally weak in this game since cinerhulk broken meta and even then it wasn'T as obnoxious as getting two shotted by adcs despite building tanky. Poppy is one of the last champs with a few amounts of dmg, all the others have been gutted into lane unviability.

JedenVojak2 votes

Poppy right now is severely overnerfed; if you compare her to Jax or Fiora, she has no steroids, no active defenses outside of her akward passive, horrible scalability on her damage and weak/unusable AP damage. Current Poppy is pretty trash.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

"No steroids" -> W (bonus armor and mr, doubled if below 40% health) "No active defenses outside of her awkward passive" -> R, one of the strongest disengage tools in the game

Don't know why the lack of ap damage is an argument for an ad based champ, but ok. =/

JedenVojak1 votes

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"No steroids" -> W (bonus armor and mr, doubled if below 40% health)

That's like what, 12 armor at lv 18?

Also armor/mr are not offensive steroids, they don't help you kill any faster.

"No active defenses outside of her awkward passive" -> R, one of the strongest disengage tools in the game

One, that's incredibly slow. Two, that launches the enemy away, which can be useful if you're getting ganked, but completely worthless if you're 1v1ing someone.

Don't know why the lack of ap damage is an argument for an ad based champ, but ok. =/

Poppy is a hybrid damage melee carry.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

No offensive steroids, correct, but still steroids. Since you didn't state that you mean offensive steroids, I thought I should mention it. And her armor and mr are increased by 15% (30% if she is under 40% health). That will be much more than "12 at lvl 18" if you are building her slightly tanky.

A fully charged ult takes time, that's right. But since you said it is "completely worthless if you're 1v1 someone", you are able to interrupt the cast. The enemy doesn't get knocked away but knocked up, which is defensive while still keeping the enemy you are fighting in your range. Did you see worlds? Some Poppy players there were able to pull some great solo kills with that (and top lane solo kills are kinda special in worlds, it is not very common). It still holds that it is a great defensive tool.

And Poppy is a hybrid damage melee carry? Because she has one AP scaling on her W? Everything in her kit is scaling with AD and you are not able to trigger the AP damage from W yourself, the enemy has to dash in it. Poppy is far away from being hybrid damage, you are taking that wrong. She is obviously AD based and not hybrid.

JedenVojak1 votes

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No offensive steroids, correct, but still steroids. Since you didn't state that you mean offensive steroids, I thought I should mention it. And her armor and mr are increased by 15% (30% if she is under 40% health). That will be much more than "12 at lvl 18" if you are building her slightly tanky.

That doesn't really help when you're building her core items like item 3078 item 3087 item 3031

A fully charged ult takes time, that's right. But since you said it is "completely worthless if you're 1v1 someone", you are able to interrupt the cast. The enemy doesn't get knocked away but knocked up, which is defensive while still keeping the enemy you are fighting in your range. Did you see worlds? Some Poppy players there were able to pull some great solo kills with that (and top lane solo kills are kinda special in worlds, it is not very common). It still holds that it is a great defensive tool.

Your ult should help you do your job. Poppy job is killing people - her current ult not super great for that.

And Poppy is a hybrid damage melee carry? Because she has one AP scaling on her W? Everything in her kit is scaling with AD and you are not able to trigger the AP damage from W yourself, the enemy has to dash in it. Poppy is far away from being hybrid damage, you are taking that wrong. She is obviously AD based and not hybrid.

Poppy is a hybrid damage melee carry. If she is currently lacking in proper hybrid scaling, it's probably due to an error on Riot's part - one the balance team will have to fix eventually.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

I see, you are trolling. xD Well done, you got me. I thought you were serious actually.

JedenVojak1 votes

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I am Pacman1 votes

Who says this?

Big Lincoln1 votes

new poppy is cancerous too though

can shut down almost any all in so you'll never feed off a decent poppy in lane, but will absolutely crush you if she gets the slightest bit ahead

the REAL poppy is a hypercarry. this is a terribly designed clone with an ugly snaggletooth and "Thor but retarded" as her lore

Ralanr4 votes

Or she's just a really good tank. Tanks can shut down some people pretty hard.

Big Lincoln1 votes

tanks in league are horribly designed in general. we don't need more of them shitting the game up until riot addresses their philosophy that every tank should be a mobile CC bot

poppy should be a melee carry

Ralanr4 votes

And melee carries are better designed? Riot has had the worst luck in actually creating balanced melee carries.

Big Lincoln1 votes

They haven't even tried to make one since Yasuo, and he turned out pretty good

Tanks have been massively more dominant than melee carries ever were since season 5

Ralanr2 votes

And Yasuo has brought more salt than Poppy. Course we both know that doesn't make either of them unbalanced, but it doesn't speak well for them either.

Big Lincoln1 votes

only in lower elo where they fetishize tanks to the extreme and universally despise anything that deals damage to them

I don't know anyone at or above my rank that still complains about Yasuo or his mechanics, but there's a lot of bitching about Poppy (for good reason)

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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only in lower elo where they fetishize tanks to the extreme and universally despise anything that deals damage to them

I don't know anyone at or above my rank that still complains about Yasuo or his mechanics, but there's a lot of bitching about Poppy (for good reason)

Well, in low elo they tend to idolise KDA. Therefore tanks are envied due to the call of duty nature of it.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Well when you think about it, a lot of high elo players like champs that can outplay.

A lot of these champs have dashes.

Coincidence?

Big Lincoln1 votes

Poppy's just as obnoxious if you're immobile; she's generally going to be faster than you if that's the case so she has a lot of freedom to line you up to a wall with naught you can do about it.

In fact, other than Lee Sin I love picking Poppy into immobile champions.

Ralanr1 votes

To be fair, few things aren't obnoxious when your immobile.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Tanks compared to other games are pure and utter shit in league. Like take a look at overwatch (just started so might be a noob opinion) but once a reinhard or dva gets close to you you better run bitch, don'T get me started about shit like roadhog. then there was swtor i played. When that sith juggernaught got close to you get prepared to be mauled. Oh you are ranged sorcerer or sniper and unleash your "ultis" (strongest high CD abilities since ultis don't really exist in mmos) on me? Here have my 4 sec reflection returning 100% of dmg dealt to yourself. Noone complained about this mechanic either, your bad to not interrupt your channel and kill yourself. In league we have a damage problem across the whole roster. Why would i pick a semi-mobile-immobile CC bot (how can u say tanks are mobile?) to get shit on in lane all day? If a tank doesn't snowball against a jayce, riven, yasuo lane you can most likely say good bye to tanking. If riot would adress this philosophy the dmg of every bruiser, adc and mage would need to get toned town heavily so these tanks could have a place in lane. Right now all the tanks currently played are the ones with high dmg output and why? because this game is all about dmg and compared to other games as i said the dmg is still rather low.

Big Lincoln1 votes

(how can u say tanks are mobile?)

because Sejuani Gragas RekSai Poppy Zac Nautilus Rammus JarvanIV are mobile tanks.

Tanks compared to other games are pure and utter shit in league.

overwatch isn't a moba, neither is star wars. Reinhardt is the only pure tank; D.Va and Roadhog are more akin to bruisers by League standards. tanks have been dominant since season 5 and we've gone through 2 tank metas since then; if Riot wasn't so quick about nerfing CoC we'd have gone through a third one for season 7.

dota 2 tanks would have been a better comparison but their tanks aren't just mobile CC bots. some of them do a lot of damage, some of them have a lot of team utility but still work primarily as tanks. Personally I think Sejuani Gragas should be high damage champions with less CC than other tanks, but I get downvoted for suggesting any fixes to the class that would actually make them different from each other (no, different ways of applying CC is not a unique reason to pick them). riot has generally ruined their own game with these sorts of classifications, and forcing champions into very tight definitions of what they can and can't be allowed to do based on their class. if they actually want to fix the tank class then they need to loosen up.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Dude, J4 isn't a tank. He's a diver. He hardly has any CC and he's built more damage heavy nowadays.

Big Lincoln1 votes

J4 has always fluctuated between full AD and full tank

i prefer the latter generally so I see him as a tank

TyrekGoldenspear6 votes

So don't all in her. Poke her. Use a champ without dashes and mess her up close range with somebody like a juggernaut.

Pick Darius.

smh.

Big Lincoln5 votes

"This champion is healthy because she has counterpicks"

this meme needs to end

Poke her.

poppy is one of the most poke-resilient top laners out there

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

You mean like the old poppy you want back so much?

She had counterpicks.

She was also about as healthy as a release Xin Xhao.

Big Lincoln2 votes

I don't want old poppy back, I want a reworked Poppy that still works as a carry

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

You mention in your other posts that poppy is freelo, meaning you can carry with her.

Meaning she already satisfies what you wanted.

Yet you say she should be nerfed, and have no damage, so she can't carry.

???

Big Lincoln1 votes

she doesn't tho, I hate her as a character. But she's actually one of the easiest champions to win with I've ever played (because she's broken), so why wouldn't I use her to climb?

Same shit with Taric; I fucking despise everything about him now, right down to his shitty dialogue, but this is the most broken he's been in years. You're damn right I'm going to abuse that.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Don't bring your dislikes of a character into balance discussion, there is no place for that here.

As for her being freelo, you are likely facing enemies who don't know what they're doing. I mean, I can see why she's good as a warden, with all the people picking dash-heavy champs suddenly getting shut down and destroyed when they try to dash on your carry, but come on, that's her job.

As for Taric, I freaking love new Taric, and he's my go to support. He is only broken when your W partner follows up, when they don't you feel like you wasted a W cast, but when you have somebody that synergizes with your spells it is glorius.

As for abusing champs to climb, good luck when they get nerfed and you're stuck with using lower-elo tactics that you never developed because you were busy abusing "broken" champs.

Big Lincoln1 votes

Don't bring your dislikes of a character into balance discussion, there is no place for that here.

If she wasn't one of the easiest things for me to win with, I wouldn't play her period. I'm just trying to get that point across that I happen to work very well with her kit despite how much I dislike her.

As for her being freelo, you are likely facing enemies who don't know what they're doing. As for abusing champs to climb, good luck when they get nerfed and you're stuck with using lower-elo tactics

I'm in Plat 2 and improving, I think I've managed to climb pretty well "abusing champs" (lol??)

As for Taric, I freaking love new Taric, and he's my go to support. He is only broken when your W partner follows up, when they don't you feel like you wasted a W cast, but when you have somebody that synergizes with your spells it is glorius.

I've complained enough about Taric; this thread's not about him so I won't rant again.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

If she wasn't one of the easiest things for me to win with, I wouldn't play her period. I'm just trying to get that point across that I happen to work very well with her kit despite how much I dislike her.

Yes, the kit that is extremely broken, if I remember correctly? The same kit that has no influence outside her melee range save for a occasional ranged auto and a skillshot ult? She has plenty of counters, but as long as she peels for the adc of course she's going to do well. She's a lose lane win game kind of champ.

I'm in Plat 2 and improving, I think I've managed to climb pretty well "abusing champs" (lol??)

I used the "abusing champs" terminology because that is what you used just two posts ago referring to why you still play Poppy and Taric.

Big Lincoln1 votes

The same kit that has no influence outside her melee range save for a occasional ranged auto and a skillshot ult?

And despite these allegedly crippling weaknesses, she's a contested pick in competitive play and has remained one of the strongest top laners across the season.

I don't play her as intended, either; peeling for garbage plat ADCs isn't any of my business. I'd rather take advantage of my strong innate damage and dive with impunity. I should clarify that I play her primarily in the jungle so that I can play as aggressively as possible as soon as possible.

I used the "abusing champs" terminology because that is what you used just two posts ago referring to why you still play Poppy and Taric.

Yeah, I played myself.

ImmortalBloodCY1 votes

Taric + Graves Duo lane bot uhuh.

Best combo ever.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Please stop editing posts after you make them, I miss cruical stuff when you do that.

As for the poke thing, unless she can regen health (which she won't because she took CoC instead of GotU), enough poke will push her out of lane.

Big Lincoln1 votes

she has a 55% winrate against Quinn, Kennen and Jayce. 3 of the prominent ranged top laners. She's at 53% vs Illaoi and Pantheon, the only common top laners I can think of that have poke in lane. Oh, she stomps Gnar, too, but that's more because Gnar is shit right now. The only ranged tops she loses to are Teemo (???) and Swain, who has sustain.

That's exactly why her regen is being targeted, I bet; she is absurdly hard to whittle down right now, even with one of the lower-end regen values for a tank.

FantasySniper2 votes

Poke doesn't work against Poppy. You either build penetration items or just accept the fact that you won't deal damage to a properly built Poppy.

Astôlfo1 votes

The one person who said this explicitly was joking I'm fairly sure.

AssauIto1 votes

Yasuo, Teemo and Irelia can both beat Poppy pretty easily.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kalgJbgY3s

The glorious days of Ap poppy. "This is what the enemy sees. And THIS is what poppy sees."

Such a golden line which makes my sides crack.

A Doorknob1 votes

Old poppy did what she was supposed to do. Was complete shit early game and became strong late game. Most people had difficulties just laning as a poppy due to her horrendous early game mana problems. So I wouldn't say she was cancerous...She got stomped pretty hard early. Only the 1 tricks were really good at her...

Saianna1 votes

Old poppy was difficult to handle, yeah.

But Riot did wrong thing reworking her class into something different. She should have stayed as hypercarry. Same applies to Sion and Shen.

FantasySniper1 votes

New is Poppy is a hyper_tank_.

Or, you know, an actual tank, given that all other tanks are little more than cannon fodder nowadays if they can't also 100-0 or babysit someone.

A little Peepo1 votes

Awwww I remember old poppy xD the damage she dealt while being unkillable, the nightmares

Lovelle1 votes

I'm pretty sure even a monkey could win with Poppy right now. Glad Riot is nerfing her.

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