these darius buffs do NOTHING for his early game

The Bard Dog·Mar 13, 2015·16 votes·1,686 views

so why the bitching?

the only think these buffs do is make it so that if he ults and kills a split pusher top lane he's not absolutely screwed by cooldown come teamfight in mid, and then kited/poked to death. he's still extremely easy to kite. he still falls off very hard late once hp and armor get built. still doesn't have the innate tankyness or damage to fight his way through frontlines to grab the ADC and kill them.

what's the problem? oh right. people pick melees into darius, feed him hard early because they have no idea how to play carefully, then cry he's op because he's one of the better melees in the game.

darius is almost a non-existent pick out of bronze. please.

40 Comments

The Bard DogMar 13, 20154 votes

b-b-b-but nobody should be able to beat my op Riven Irelia Jax Fiora Yasuo NERF PLS

femméMar 13, 20151 votes

it's not about "op champs" it's that Darius shits on any1 melee no matter what they do. his design is the problem not how powerful he is.

DropFillMar 13, 20153 votes

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it's not about "op champs" it's that Darius shits on any1 melee no matter what they do. his design is the problem not how powerful he is.

Darius does not shit on Renekton. Every single melee tank fighter champ such as Mundo can survive Darius easily and eventually outscale him past 6

femméMar 13, 20151 votes

good job, you just explained what darius is meant to do.

he suffers from trundle syndrome. strong early but can't fight people with mobility. Honestly your argument can only be resolved by reworking him into not being "playing for the first ten minutes of the game then can't do shit." even if darius gets fed in lane it really only affects the lane opponent because darius is not a champion that can carry.

TL;DR: Darius is meant to be a lane bully that has zero mobility and no way of touching ranged champs, because of this he will always be in a bad spot unless he's given ridiculous stats like he used to have. Because he's slower than a tortoise, he can't carry is what i'm saying.

Salt Miner 49 ErMar 13, 20152 votes

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b-b-b-but nobody should be able to beat my op NERF PLS

Riven facerolls all over Darius, what are you smoking?

DropFillMar 13, 20153 votes

Seriously, Darius can't beat a decent Riven or Fiora. Beating irelia also only happens if her jungler is not playing, since she has sustain to hold the lane long enough to get a gank and eventually snowball because Darius is, seriously, really bad

The Bard DogMar 13, 20156 votes

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Seriously, Darius can't beat a decent Riven or Fiora. Beating irelia also only happens if her jungler is not playing, since she has sustain to hold the lane long enough to get a gank and eventually snowball because Darius is, seriously, really bad

darius can beat a decent riven or fiora. early game harass and lane control destroys them tbh.

DropFillMar 13, 20153 votes

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darius can beat a decent riven or fiora. early game harass and lane control destroys them tbh.

Early game gank and you lost lane forever. Lane control? A single Q will push the lane hard

The Bard DogMar 13, 20155 votes

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Early game gank and you lost lane forever. Lane control? A single Q will push the lane hard

one q will not completely push the lane. you can still freeze it. anyway, wards op. can't gank darius if he sees you coming.

and still wrong. riven doesn't beat darius at any point because she's squish and low health and darius has a true damage nuke.

i've played riven/fiora matchups a lot. if you haven't gotten first blood by 2:45-3:15 you're playing darius wrong against those two.

Captain AishiMar 13, 20153 votes

no, if you do get first blood by that time it's them playing it wrong

The Bard DogMar 13, 20156 votes

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no, if you do get first blood by that time it's them playing it wrong

there's two things that happens when you play against a GOOD darius as riven/fiora.

you get first blooded very early and lose lane extremely hard
darius lands some harass on you, and then with your meager sustain he just freezes lane and costs you a ton of farm.

ZantumallMar 13, 20152 votes

If Riven plays very carefully she can shield every Q you throw, and if she does that and then trades aggressively you will lose trades, at least pre-6. It's tricky, but if Riven and Darius are BOTH good, Riven will probably win. If Darius gets even a slight advantage he'll easily win the lane, though.

Captain AishiMar 13, 20151 votes

the lane is razor's edge in either direction, whoever gets a kill first makes it so the other can no longer approach the minion wave without dying for it

the difference is that darius is a lot easier to gank

UncensoredAngelMar 13, 20151 votes

Eh Ive Come back from a loosing lane against riven

Captain AishiMar 13, 20151 votes

so have i, but it wasn't in the maybe 2 games ever that i faced someone who was actually good at riven

Captain AishiMar 13, 20151 votes

as darius you can't harass and freeze the lane at the same time, one Q is enough to get the lane pushing and they can freeze it near their tower and make you an easy gank target

you have to push the wave super hard when you harass so you can get it to reset under tower, but even doing that leaves a good minute window where you are free gold for their jungler if he shows up

DropFillMar 13, 20151 votes

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there's two things that happens when you play against a GOOD darius as riven/fiora.

you get first blooded very early and lose lane extremely hard

darius lands some harass on you, and then with your meager sustain he just freezes lane and costs you a ton of farm.

If he harass you as fiora, you will not push the lane back.

DropFillMar 13, 20151 votes

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i've played riven/fiora matchups a lot. if you haven't gotten first blood by 2:45-3:15 you're playing darius wrong against those two.

Have you EVER thought that I didn't get first blood because they were playing...well?

psloanMar 13, 20151 votes

Darius should not be able to beat every champion . Remember Champion balance is centered around enforcing a Champions Strengths while giving them clear Weakness NOT eliminating all there weakness so they can beat every other champion.

this is why during ranked you get to ban 3 champions as well as alternate champion picks. if you dont think he can beat those champions you have 2 choices , dont pick him into those champs or Ban them.

Champion SkinMar 14, 20151 votes

Well Darius doesn't beat every champion... he can get so screwed by ranged champions who can harass him from range and kite him around

WeFlyNoLieMar 13, 20151 votes

Garen

KingsgraveMar 13, 20151 votes

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Seriously, Darius can't beat a decent Riven or Fiora. Beating irelia also only happens if her jungler is not playing, since she has sustain to hold the lane long enough to get a gank and eventually snowball because Darius is, seriously, really bad

Darius hard counters Riven and Fiora pretty hard actually.

Pretty much every Melee loses to him in lane. He is also a pretty hard counter to Gnar.

Trash MammaIMar 13, 20152 votes

what's the problem? oh right. people pick melees into darius, feed him hard early because they have no idea how to play carefully, then cry he's op because he's one of the better melees in the game.

I had someone pick jax against me as Darius. He called me a stupidly broken champ when I beat him at levels 1-3 then he killed me at 5 and got put back into the game. Then we hit 7 and I all in'd him and killed him. Told me I needed a nerf oh I was happy

Celeste BenalMar 13, 20152 votes

I've found Darius to be pretty much unbeatable vs a melee top. May as well just pick a second ADC and be done with it.

Remlap1223Mar 13, 20151 votes

Gangplank actually does well against Darius. Of course, reason being is because he has a ton of ranged harass and sustain.

SpongebobIsLifeMar 13, 20151 votes

darius easily wins that lane. You will always be able to 1v1 gp (unless he just gets miraculously fed), so you just stand between GP and the minions to make him decide between poking you with parley or using it to cs. Whenever im playing against gp as darius, I always stand in enough range to pull him with my e.

KingsgraveMar 13, 20151 votes

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actually does well against Darius. Of course, reason being is because he has a ton of ranged harass and sustain.

Your Q range is the same as his E range Im pretty sure, he should be able to easily grab you.

Remlap1223Mar 14, 20151 votes

Darius' E range is 550, the range of an ADC's auto attacks. Gangplank's Q range is 625, slightly larger than Ashe's and slightly lower than Caitlyn's.

SleepyLionCubMar 13, 20152 votes

Because. Darius is completely untradeable early. He deals crazy damage, and cant be 1v1'd early, giving him free roam to shut down most top laners completely. He beats everyone early. So his late should not also be strong.

DropFillMar 13, 20151 votes

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Because. Darius is completely untradeable early. He deals crazy damage, and cant be 1v1'd early, giving him free roam to shut down most top laners completely. He beats everyone early. So his late should not also be strong.

He does not shut down most top laners completely lol. A single gank and he loses lane forever

Champion SkinMar 14, 20151 votes

Ranged champions disagrees... they see no problem in trading with Darius

Kim Jong OomMar 13, 20151 votes

uh what buffs

The Bard DogMar 13, 20151 votes

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uh what buffs

at level 11 his ult costs 50 mana and at 16 it costs 0 mana and resets on kill completely.

Kim Jong OomMar 13, 20151 votes

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at level 11 his ult costs 50 mana and at 16 it costs 0 mana and resets on kill completely.

link?

The Bard DogMar 13, 20151 votes

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link?

nice name. anyway in a match google current pbe changes

TeemoJenkinsMar 13, 20151 votes

As Garen I've never had trouble Vs a Darius because I can just outsustain him and when he goes OOM I can all in him. The one time I lost lane to a Darius it was due to jungle camp, but in the end Darius fell off late game, I didn't - we won. I see this buff as hugely positive and can't wait to see more late game Darius!

pplednMar 13, 20151 votes

The should reduce the cooldown of Apprehend when darius lands a Q and give Q a stacking buff, that reduces its cooldown by 33% (Similar to hecs Q). Furthermore, darius has a pull, but he is melee and wants to get closer. They should Combine Vis ult with darius ult and give vi a new ult so darius and Vi don't step on each others heels like shyv / mundo.