I just played against an AP team and finally felt tanky again (for one game) :(

BigFBear·Jun 22, 2018·22 votes·9,173 views

I built as Voli (not this Acc)

against , , AP-, and

Kai'sa was even 13:7 at the end but she couldnt even scratch me. Malz ulted me several times in the game while Kai'sa + Kayle shoots all their shit on me. I survived every time! It actually felt like playing a Tank(!)... unbelievable... I KNOW! This would never happen against enemy AD-Champs. Against AD i am dead in seconds. Can't even tank properly for my team. A fed AD-Champ can 1on1 me ez even with 3 Armor-Items on me.

Why cant Armor items be at least half as good as AP-Res-Items? =/

31 Comments

Automated RivenJun 22, 201821 votes

Kayle must have been garbage or she would have wrecked. She does stupidly high damage later in the game.

SleepcomaJun 23, 20181 votes

shes more of a mid to late game champion as in very late game teamfights she cant always get in range, and she gets outscaled by the adc most of the time

Rins Thigh SocksJun 22, 201815 votes

Why does every tank player think that it's healthy a 13 kill champion can't even scratch them?

M00ndanc3Jun 22, 20183 votes

because if you build full tank with no damage items like that than you shouldn't take damage unless the enemy has an ass ton of defense pen/shred which there team naturaly has with kayle, also it seems that the enemy team misplayed by focusing the tank which ment fights didn't last long enough for them to do damage if important stuff like malz ults and kayle autos where thrown on a tank instead of a dps.

hhaavviikkJun 23, 20181 votes

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because if you build full tank with no damage items like that than you shouldn't take damage unless the enemy has an ass ton of defense pen/shred which there team naturaly has with kayle, also it seems that the enemy team misplayed by focusing the tank which ment fights didn't last long enough for them to do damage if important stuff like malz ults and kayle autos where thrown on a tank instead of a dps.

but the problem then comes from some champions who have high damage in their kit who go full tank, become unkillable by AP and then murder them, mundo being a prime example, health % damage on Q, big AD steroid on E, sunfire cape on W, if you're an AP and he has a ton of mr he will 1 vs 1 you even if the tank is 0/10/0 and the PA is 10/0/0, that's not healthy in my eyes either.

Rammus used to be the same problem, comes rolling in with full armor and you can't even attack him but meanwhile he destroys you 1 on 1

RalanrJun 22, 201812 votes

Idk, why do damage players think that going 13 and 0 makes them unkillable?

Frankly, it’s just how tanks tend to measure up. If we cannot hold off the biggest threat, then we feel like we cannot do our job.

Rins Thigh SocksJun 22, 20187 votes

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Idk, why do damage players think that going 13 and 0 makes them unkillable?

Frankly, it’s just how tanks tend to measure up. If we cannot hold off the biggest threat, then we feel like we cannot do our job.

False equivalency, especially since the Kai'sa already died 7x and I never stated squishies should be unkillable.

If you can't hold off the biggest threat because they have 13 kills, it's because they've been funneled a full item on you. They should be able to deal significant damage to you because they got overly fed.

It's the same as if you went 13-0 on tanks (or in most tanks' case, 2-0-13). If you get that fed my time to kill you should go up exponentially.

Daddy AntsJun 23, 20181 votes

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Why does every tank player think that it's healthy a 13 kill champion can't even scratch them?

Tank players for you.

MagicFlyingLlamaJun 22, 20182 votes

MR is actually worse than armor in terms of gold value/options.

The difference is almost all magic damage is in the form of burst, plus AP players - especially bad ones - just hate getting void staff.

BigFBearJun 22, 20184 votes

well, you are right no one of them had it.

But i just wanted to say with my post, that i miss those times where tanks could actually tank.

InfernapeJun 22, 201816 votes

Hi, I'm Yi. I bought Bloodrazor and Brokensoos. And I have conqueror, rendering all your armour purchases worthless.

Oh, and I'm immune to slows to boot. Have fun.

ZackTheWaffleManJun 22, 20182 votes

#Hi, Yi! I'm Dad!

InfernapeJun 23, 20182 votes

I THOUGHT YOU WENT OUT FOR A CIGARETTE. IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS!

AlienPrimateJun 23, 20182 votes

Hi, I'm not on the balance team so I can't do anything about it, but if I was I would remove your immunity to attack speed slows like item 3143 item 3110 Malphite Nunu

Champion SkinJun 23, 20181 votes

Well even if Yi wasn't immune to attack speed slows it wouldn't help Nunu would it? Isn't his E/R just a single debuff? Meaning that if he is still immune to the Movement Speed slow that will prevent the debuff from being applied or it will be removed it already applied

SleepcomaJun 23, 20181 votes

grow up and learn to beat a champion with a very straightforward kit

Lord BoltsJun 23, 20183 votes

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Hi, I'm Yi. I bought Bloodrazor and Brokensoos. And I have conqueror, rendering all your armour purchases worthless.

Oh, and I'm immune to slows to boot. Have fun.

Silver 5 tank main crying about an Anti Tank champion with Anti Tank items.

Yi is over tuned yes but you play Leona.

Point and click stun him.

M00ndanc3Jun 22, 20181 votes

yeah magic resistance is great until they get a voidstaff and a liandries. at that point any mage that has dot will melt a tank in 2-10s depending on how much mr and if you have addaptive helm.

FirewaterDMJun 23, 20181 votes

Except MR actually does things + forces multiple Mpen items to do a dent to you.

(also most comp/not completely fucked AP's have like Sorcs + Void + Morellos + their other shit and still tanks kinda laugh in a 1 v 1)

Meanwhile AD champs get a cleaver, or are yi/other ridiculous things and just ignore armor after first 15 minutes of the game

AR URFJun 22, 20182 votes

tank is a cowards class. Play bruisers.

M00ndanc3Jun 22, 20185 votes

bruiser is a meta slave class. play what you want

ZackTheWaffleManJun 22, 20182 votes

As if being a coward matters in LoL

RalanrJun 22, 20184 votes

Yeah. It sure is cowardly diving into the enemy team to keep them still while my team follows through with damage.

Like, super cowardly.

AR URFJun 22, 20182 votes

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Yeah. It sure is cowardly diving into the enemy team to keep them still while my team follows through with damage.

Like, super cowardly.

You dive into the enemy knowing that you'll most likely survive. Thus it is a cowards class.

Acheron16Jun 23, 20182 votes

Can't do too wrong against bad players.

If you were at full build, then they should also be, which means atleast Malzahar or Zyra should have bought a Void Staff and render 40% of your MR useless.

Complain about ADCs all you want, but unless they are the current meta ones, they need 4 items to be relevant and even so, can normaly only achieve 35% Armor Penetration.

DuskDaUmbreonJun 23, 20182 votes

You're not meant to tank as Volibear. You're a juggernaut.

Also, you tanked four DPS AP champions (two of which are actually hybrid), and an AD assassin.

That's nothing to do with AD versus AP. The enemy team was just retarded.

FirewaterDMJun 23, 20181 votes

tbh even if a weird/not great example OP's not wrong.

Tanks/bruisers can stack MR and void, sorcs, liandries, morello from mages still can feel tanky unless you get focus fired or they're fed/late game veigar. bcos of the HP you gain from Visage/Adaptive Helm/Warmogs.

On the other hand you can have Frozen Heart/Thornmail/Tabis/Randuins/Sunfire/Insert random damage/MR item and then if the AD's even much less ahead you just lose/get chunked forever after minute 15-20

Like the bigger issue is that AP items are gated by CDR/Mana and kinda suck which is what allows MR to get away with being subpar but still sufficient- hell 9/10 games unless they're 5 man AP you just need mercs or a spirit visage and you're good vs. the team's AP unless fed.

Meanwhile Armor options are better but in every case AD items are far superior and numerous to their AP counterpart.

Kurt HyzanJun 23, 20181 votes

You mean you just built item 1033 and were able to tank 5 mages ?

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Noor SakataJun 23, 20181 votes

That's the problem , MR is really way too strong which makes mages useless , and needs a nerf while Armor is weak and it doesn't work against a specific champion and a specific rune , so it needs a buff

ThefrostyvikingJun 23, 20181 votes

OP.....your post is very odd.

Malz is a godly anti tank mage, for him to not deal any damage by the time you had those items he must have skipped void staff entirely......which signifies him being kinda boosted.

Kayle could have been behind which would explain a lack of damage as she doesnt do much then, only with items does she start murdering.

kai sa should have been able to kill you unless grossly behind too, especially with a Zyra helping.

Did you get hella fed or was the enemy team just grossly behind?