Why would I trust riot to make ANY good decisions if they give master yi a better ap ratio on heal

Woook3r··4 votes·829 views

Seriously. Who looks at master yi and thinks, "wow I bet he could use a buff to his ap ratio". Jesus fucking christ. They had to nerf yi because he started showing up in diamond and challenger ranked building rageblade when riot specifically claimed that rageblade would not be viable in high elo.

So they nerffed....yi...instead of rageblade. Then they turned around and nerfed rageblade as well and will NEVER revert the bass ackwards yi nerfs. Wow. Nice to fuck over all the yi players.

Nows your chance to revert the cancer yi changes, but they DONT because he was specifically sejuiani'd. Everyone KNOWS yi was nerfed because of sated. Why is yi STILL in his nerfed state? THERES NO MORE SATED DEVORER!

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Hethalean2 votes

Read all the changes on the PBE before going insane about it.

Woook3r1 votes

no i read it. master yi doesnt use his w for the healing. He uses it for the dmg reduction. He doesnt give a flying FUCK about the heal unless he is in lane or out of combat. Thats why this is a one point wonder ability. The heal on it literally doesnt matter at all.

changing this ap ratio is going to do nothing. why even waste the time to encode it?

Hethalean2 votes

So you know about the buff to his True Damage if you read it then? So you don't care about his extra true damage on an assassin, but are just upset he's getting a larger AP ratio on his heal which you view as useless... so you want to rage about it? Also if it is that useless, and that much of a waste of time... why is there time spent on making this post? I doubt it's really considered into his power budget.

Also read the Context on his changes. It's on surrender @ 20. They go into explaining why they're changing his ratios.

Woook3r1 votes

the point is, WHY BUFF THE AP RATIO? It makes you look stupid!

Hethalean4 votes

Couldn't find the context post then? Aight, here it is since you likely saw the AP ratio and freaked out and didn't read any further. See the bold and italics for added visibility to help you find it.

"Quote: hey there, since you're on the balance team, can you explain why the balance team thinks buffing meditate's ap ratio will help yi given that he doesn't build rageblade anymore? the real problem is the low duration on highlander the ap ratio change isn't intended to be a balance change to help yi recover from the mid-season patch—_they're part of a small side project to make some characters feel 'less bad' about the ap on a couple of hybrid items that might otherwise be attractive to them. _ we are looking at a balance change for yi this patch though, in addition to the bloodrazor buffs. the ap ratio thing just coincidentally includes him."

Woook3r1 votes

no i read that. its fucking stupid to even include yi in that because he doesnt care about his ap ratio. you could remove it entirely and it wouldnt change his win rate.

FACE THE WlND2 votes

That wasn't the purpose of it. The purpose of buffing the AP ratio was not to help Master Yi's winrate or help him at all honestly. It's part of Riot's effort to make these random AP ratios feel a little less useless. They don't care if the champs don't use AP, Shyvana doesn't use AP, but it's just to make these random scalings a bit more meaningful.

Woook3r1 votes

...yea. the solution is to make a useless scaling more powerful. Shouldnt try to turn it into a useful scaling at all. Just make it stronger. if you arent changing the champion to either hurt or help them, and the change isnt actually going to have any effect at all. Then why make the change? Its futile

FACE THE WlND2 votes

Exactly, that's why Riot did it! It has no impact, it's just to make the AP scaling slightly less shit, that's it it's not a solution. They're not trying to help Yi with the change. Why can't you understand this? This way indirect AP buffs will actually do something, and hybrid items aren't completely wasting some ability power stats.

Woook3r1 votes

because i usually dont think doing something with 0 purpose and overall effect is worth doing.

Someone called me insane because of my reaction. I think its insane for a person to do something that they admit is pointless and has no real effect on anythiing.

Its like digging holes in the ground and filling them right back up. Its work with no payout. Why the fuck would you do this?

If riot says that the ap ratio will have no effect on the game then I 100% agree with them, but in my life I like to remove pointless things. For instance, there was a piece of trash on my desk but I didnt paint that piece of trash to make it less ugly or rearrange it to match the rest of the trash on my desk. I threw the useless piece of trash and all the other useless trash away. Just like a person with half a brain would.

However, some people seem to think that trash doesnt exist in league of legends. They think that EVERY part of the game is meaningful and should be enhanced no matter how crazy or impossible that actually is. Like Swain. Like mord. Like the PBE. Like useless ap ratios on champions that DONT BUILD AP.

FACE THE WlND1 votes

Personally I like digging holes in my yard and filling them back up. Is there a problem? Are you making fun of me?

Woook3r1 votes

No you dont. If you did, I wouldnt make fun of you because I dont make fun of crazy ppl.

FACE THE WlND1 votes

I do.

Woook3r1 votes

are you a dog or a gardener? Notice tht i did not say you fill them with flowerrs and plants. you fill the holes back up with dirt. and then dig them again. and then fill them back up with the exact same dirt.

FACE THE WlND1 votes

I'm offended. I dig the hole and refill it. It makes me feel happy.

Hethalean3 votes

You're wrong.

Woook3r1 votes

good point

Hethalean1 votes

Better than your tantrum just yelling how something is stupid without providing any points to WHY something is stupid. Claiming that no one cares about it (without actually knowing if that is true... just that YOU don't care about it). Debating with you feels like a waste of time as there's no real effort on your side.

You're mad and all you seem to want to due is yell and scream and call things stupid because you don't like something and do not know why.

Woook3r1 votes

its stupid because yi doesnt build ap and he doesnt care about his heal. You could stop lvling abilities after you hit rank 3 ulti and it wouldnt change yi or how he plays.

Its a stupid change because it doesnt change anything. Im sorry i didnt realize I had to explicitly point that out to you. Changes that dont actually change anything at all are stupid. Changes should change things....kappa. In case you were wondering it works in reverse as well, changes should be caused by changes....kappa.

Im not overreacting. You dont seem to understand how stupid it is to do something and expect it to achieve 0 impact or results.

How about this dude. Im going to go outside in my back yard and dig a hole. Then im going to fill it back up and replant the grass. Then when the grass grows back, im going to dig the hole again. And then im going to fill it back up. And then im going to replant the grass. Over and over dude. And at the end im going to stop when the yard looks exactly like it did in the first place and Im going to tell everyone how useful my shovel is. There wont be any difference. My shovel wont be useful and no one will even know I have the shovel if they look at my yard, but I will just feel better because I a shovel which I wasnt using and then I used it. In fact, im going to go out and buy a bigger fucking shovel. Cause fuck sanity.

How would you look at someone who went thru all that effort to achieve something that they admitted had 0 value?

Hethalean1 votes

{quoted} Its a stupid change because it doesnt change anything. Im sorry i didnt realize I had to explicitly point that out to you.

Except I pointed out how it does change something. You just don't understand it. Also your analogy is atrocious. Your logic is flawed. Go get a sippy cup of calm down tea.

As to your analogy, it also applies to working out. "I'm just going to pick this weight up and set it back down over and over! Useless!!!!" Just fyi, so you can understand why it's awful.

Woook3r1 votes

no. working out has a purpose. you are doing work on your muscles and then you go drink protein so you can build them up. the digging holes is just something u do so that your shovel doesnt feel uselss.

explain again what the ap changes do for yi?

Hethalean1 votes

Yeah me pointing out the working out thing was precisely what I was trying to get across with your analogy, and why it was so awful. You didn't understand it. As to explaining it again, you either didn't understand it or read it at first. I'm no longer wasting my time in this post to explain it again as you don't get it. I haven't edited any of my posts. They're all still there. You can go reread if you want.

Woook3r1 votes

...every analogy has flaws bud. The fact that you cant find the actual value is a problem with your mentality.

Yea. I see that having better ap ratios is "better" for yi? But i really disagree that the changes are worth the effort and everyone with a brain has noticed that riot has a pattern of nerfing champions which can abuse certain problematic items rather than nerfing the item itself (see sejuani in cinderhulk meta). Then when they finally come to terms with the broken item, as they did with sated, then they dont revert the changes to the champions.

If i decide yi needs a nerf because of item X, then it only makes sense to nerf yi while that item exists. The nerf should come off. Thats SO much more simple from a design stand point than some obscure hybrid ap ratio changes that no one has any experience with.

For instance, people use to take third party anti virus on windows because windows didnt have good self protection built in. Now people are thinking that windows might be up to par in its own AV systems. As a result, they are sometimes uninstalling third party AV because it deteriorates the underlying system which was not designed for that AV software. SAME WITH YI. If you remove the underlying problem, which was the lack of quality built in AV, then you should also remove the patchwork changes you did to address the problem, which was the third Party AV.

That translates to the nerfs to yi and the lack of balance in a sated meta. You remove the nerfs as sated meta is also removed. There should be a system in place for riot to do stuff like this but there isnt because riot has no systematic design process or principals. Ive talked about it in other threads. All they have are a bunch of shitty subjective theories and no procedural integrity.

XxHalopridexX1 votes

Just get rid of yi, he's busted

FACE THE WlND2 votes

He's right. You're wrong.

Fjiordor1 votes

Well better give him his old 1.0 Q Ap Ratio & His 4.0 W AP ratio back and make his r fully reset cds on kills again.

CppL1 votes

They buffing his E true dmg.Thats really nice buff.

Boulderox1 votes

ap yi was a thing... and it was awful... just saying.

dalphy081 votes

Don't worry I'm upset too that Yi isn't green anymore. They really fucked up him by making him tall as shit and all cream yellow coloured. Jesus, who has something against green asian swordfighters? So tacky.

ApollyonBainer1 votes

Yeah, it's stupid. Honestly I wish they would fix Yi overall. Like give him back some actual AP scaling but plz don't bring back the old AP Yi. I don't wanna feel like an asshat whenever I play Yi. But right now the AP scaling on his W does do literally nothing. NO one is gonna build anything AP on him and if they do they probably don't know what season they're in. I do agree though, why buff something that no one is gonna use? They buffed his E and honestly that's awesome but I don't think its enough. I think his Q should scale a little with AP. But that's just me, what do I know? [slayer-jinx-wink]

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