It's disgusting how people actually think Evelynn is OP and deserved the nerf

get this

galio doesn't have mobility

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LoL. If you think permastealth isn't powerful then something is wrong here.

Nay, you are incorrect. I believe her passive stealth is powerful, but not in the way you, or the majority of the board believes it to be. As a ganking tool? It utterly fails, primarily due to the 700 range effect. As a flanking tool? It is excellent. It allows Eve to bypass traditionally placed wards which causes the game to be played differently. The issue is people don't like playing differently.

Except that you can only have one pink ward out per champion. It is pretty easy to ward off other junglers because we have the liberty of placing more than one ward. Those wards are cheaper, invisible, and require a champion to actually use raptor buffs or red trinket to clear.

And evelynn magically prevents you from placing more than one ward? Evelynn magically defeats the purpose of your pink ward? Pardon but, every statement you are making creates the idea that Evelynn is this champion who completely nvalidates warding which is not at all the case.

Evelynn must use raptor buffs to clear stealth wards. Every champion can clear a pink ward without scanners/raptor buff.

Eve is the definition of toxic once ahead. She gets ahead by literally walking behind or up to people abusing her passive. And once she gets a lead she can simply do it again and again. There is a reason why Eve is the 3rd highest winrate in Dia+ with 55.67% winrate.

Define toxic. The term is used far too generally. Let alone, the hyperbole does not afford your argument justice.

1. Reksai can do the exact same thing but better. She can pop u from behind the enemy rator cam for a gank. Evelyn cannot do that, the turret reveals her.

2. She needs to do an inlane gank, and again, not the best because you can see her before she can hit you. She has no CC. If you died to eve, you played badly and deserved to die.

3. winrate is not an accurate statistic, especially for soloque where her winrate is roughly around 50% overall. Several champions border on this line. On top of this, in professional play, she sees far less success. This suggests the issue is really an issue if team gameplay and personal gameplay. Solo players do not ward as much, do not ward as well, and do not play the game as they should, as a team game.

You would need to nerf many champions who go over the 50% win rate, which is inaccurate.

Also why are we comparing Gragas to Eve again?

A comparison of effectiveness and contribution to a team.

However, I will entertain you. First of all, why are you comparing them at level 3? We are utilizing when all of their abilities are available.

Also your calculations are way off if you consider MR/Armor. I acknowledged that, it is why i said at the very base not considering the MR of about 28% damage reduction or so.

If you build gragas with 0 damage items he cannot chunk targets to half hp in the mid game/late game unless he is grossly ahead in levels. I was not discussing midgame and late game for several reasons.

1. Jungler impact is greatest around early game. It is also the area that Evelynn is intended to specialize. My point of bringing it up was to illustrate the stark difference in burst damage capability between the two, as well as the squishy behavior of Evelynn.

2. Eve;s damage spike is mid game, she has no good late game due to th way needs to be built. Lee Sin deals more damage than her at all stages of the game due to her ratios/base damage and build behavior. Mid game is when she reaches her "I can actually kill things solo" state.

3. Illustrating team contribution. 1 soft CC + 1 hard CC > no CC.

Comparing them at level 3 is flawed because scaling stats like AP or AD don't matter as much early on. Which is irrelevant because neither champ builds AD/AP to the extent where it matters.

Just because a champion isn't popular at worlds doesn't mean they are not toxic and overbearing in solo queue.

A champion that professionals do not choose to use, is a champion that is innefficient and doesn't have what is needed to win. You really underestimate the mindset required for high level play. It isn't "what will annoy people more." It's "what will let me win?"

Eve does not let you win. She is average. Poor early game. Meh late game. Meh middle game.

I want you to go into game and go to any lane with a pink ward. Let me see you ward off Eve completely with 0 blind spots. OH WAIT! You can't because there is more than one path to gank from and she can simply lane gank.

Considering I play Evelynn, Iyes, I know how to ward against her, and I know the pathing routes she prefers to take. Stop throwing your ward into the side bush, its a waste of time.