Can bruisers/fighters CHOOSE between damage and tanky stats, not automatically have both?

GreyfellD··6 votes·1,073 views

There is absolutely no reason to have a tank at the moment since Bruisers exist that have all the stat boosts of tanks, while having massively superior damage. Can't Riot make it so Bruisers have to choose between flat out damage at the cost of survivability and not automatically have both.

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Critmaster Garen5 votes

ok. then we make tanks chose between defense and playmaking potential/utility.

Krully3 votes

As it should be

RainXBlade3 votes

The problem with bruisers/melee carries is that because of the way their kits work, they need both.

They need durability or else they blow up the instant they try to duel someone or dive in teamfights. They also need damage or else they wouldn't be able to do their job of disrupting/killing the squishies in teamfights or even splitpush and 1v1'ing someone.

When a champion has both durability and damage, they're considered to be toxic/unhealthy design. Hell, even Yasuo (who has very low base stats) is still considered unhealthy design because of his passive (his shield makes him deceptively tanky if timed right; and his double crit passive gives him a huge steroid)

TL; DR: Bruisers are never meant to be truly balanced because they can't have the best of both worlds or else they'd kill anything they touch.

D357R0Y3R2 votes

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The problem

It's not a problem It seems to be a problem right now because tanks are a joke+hypercarries are garbage+mages are garbage but riot is buffing mages in next patch this will weaken bruisers

Rexxiee1 votes

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It's not a problem It seems to be a problem right now because tanks are a joke+hypercarries are garbage+mages are garbage but riot is buffing mages in next patch this will weaken bruisers

Mages are garbage, so garbage that theres 3~4 of them bot lane per game in most high elo games.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

those mages are bruisers, swain vlad ryze and what' smore?

the only real mage that is viable is zoe and is getting nerfed because she's broken

real mages are weak and are getting buffed like vel'koz viktor cass

and other champs too along with liandry

Pika Fox3 votes

Tanks are far tankier with more control. They also generally offer more consistent damage.

Fighters need tanky stats as they often lack major gapclosing abilities and are often melee.

TehNACHO2 votes

Oh man, I wonder if there's more to tanks than just Tankiness and Damage.

Could you possibly give more examples? Like, a lot of Juggernauts, Darius and Illaoi in particular, their stats are a good side effect of gameplay. Their surplus healing comes from hitting wonky abilities, Darius needs to build up his passive, Illaoi needs to stack her E or Ult.

A lot of Dive Fighters also do need to choose between both. Take a Hecarim or a Vi or a Shyvana and, all else being equal, they're all rather squishy early game before they can build defensive items and they can never truly match a Tank because they need offensive items early to make it to the mid game.

There aren't too many champions that get both that aren't also terribly designed or really old (Mundo is both, for example).

Vlada Cut2 votes

They build ad and hp, and hp gets countered by anything if yiu don't have enough armor and magic ressist?

SuperEA7051 votes

Champions that build only health, armor, and resistance items should NOT do that much damage. These champions should be forced to buy AD/AP if they want to do damage.

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