Hold up - there's not that many "must ban" champions right now

Wînter Fox··1 votes·1,170 views

Is this the first time in League history?

The only ones I can think of that come close are Rengar Yasuo Vayne. But these three have been broken since they were released, and are always on the "no one's really toxic so might as well ban these dudes" list.

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Stephenizgod2 votes

Yasuo Vayne Twitch Rengar Khazix Caitlyn Zyra Vi Syndra Shyvana LeeSin

If i could ban all of these every game, I would be happy.

Arcyyy1 votes

ahahahahahahaha.

Shyvana Twitch Vi Vayne Yasuo Rengar Syndra Kennen

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Shyvana? Syndra? Kennen? Vi? Priorities? Thinking process?

Arcyyy1 votes

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Shyvana? Syndra? Kennen? Vi? Priorities? Thinking process?

I mean, they are pretty unbalanced or flat out unfun to play vs at the moment.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Shyvana, Syndra, Kennen, Vi. I have no issues with. I kind of want to give you Vi but not the others.

Vekkna1 votes

Almost 55% win rate with 13% play rate on Vi is not a "kind of give." It's busted af.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Is 13% play rate high?

I see your point. While you are at it, could you give me the play rate of Syndra? Please? People rag and hate on her, yet with my near 200 games played from mid season 6 to the end, I have only seen Syndra once (I am not including the times I player her, limited time modes, ARAM, or spectated games.) Spectate games, from friends, I suppose I have seen her about 10 times, if i is not my friend being her.

Vekkna1 votes

Syndra has play rate of 8.84% in mid, which is 6th highest.

Vi 13+% is a distant second highest in jungle behind LeeSin with over 37%. But an average win rate of 54.5% with over 13% play rate is going to be on Riot's radar as a problem.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Thanks on the Syndra bit. I love Syndra, second behind Ahri, but people complin about her a lot so I need facts to defend her.

For the Vi bit: I'd say so. She has no noticeable weaknesses or counters (Maybe except a certain snake's movement cancellation spell, but that is way too specific). Vi is both too flexible with her building and does way too much damage.

Ghiggs Boson1 votes

Syndra is absolutely a broken champion, refer to the reddit thread with Sneaky dying even though she missed 2 Q's, her E, and her W. All she hit was 1 Q and then ult 100-0.

At one item. 100-0. Balanced

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

If she is 'balanced' then we praise Veigar as the GOD OF GODS!!!

His Burst is stronger than Syndras but people do not ragged on him as much simply because he does a horrible job protecting himself. Once his e is cool down, all in him, no issues. W may be big aoe (bigger than Syndras) but not hard to avoid if you pay attention to the shadow. But the same is true, if not even worse, for Syndra. Her only 'disengage' is her e, also on a long cool down. Unlike Veigars wall, which is a definite stun, Syndra must have a q e combo to stun, and the sphere must hit the target, otherwise it is just a know back. Meaning her 'disengage' is on cool down and chasing after her, assuming if gap closing is available, is an exposed Syndra. So Veigar's 'disengage' is better than Syndras, especially when he can use his wall as a zone, either you go around the wall, run into it, or back off. Why do people rag on Syndra more?

Another reason is because Veigar has a higher play rate and thus you see a huge range of him being trash to god tier. Syndra, however, does not have no where near as high of a play rate and so every time players see her, they see her as a threat and plays well. That and the mental mind set one has when they see Syndra, like when they see Yasuo. "Ah God! Yasuo. Time to have a filthy headache for this match" That is all in the mind set, though there are ranges of terrible to god tier Yasuos, they are clumbed up together. Even the bad Yasuos, if they managed to get a good wind wall, dodge skill shots with his dash, or get a few kills, are just as annoying as the great Yasup players. Back to Syndra and Veigar, my point was, all Syndra players are placed in that group, like Yasuo.

Syndra's primary attack ability (q) has lower cool down (I may be wrong. I do not care to open wikia to see the cool down on their abilities at the moment. Give me a day) so she is a bit more forgiving for missing her aoe. Veigar's stun is a wall where you must stop your auto pathing or else you are done for. Syndra does her q e combo, which while may seem like a less reaction time in dodging, Veigar has a much better team fight with his stun then Syndras. Not to mention, Syndra can miss her her stun. It is like hitting a ball with a bat, you have to aim your bat carefully, or else you will miss. It is positioning her, Syndra herself. It is not like a line skill shot. Veigar, as long he didn't click elsewhere on the screen, missing the stun is not possible (Sion ult, Morgana Black Shield, Banshee Veil not included). It is simply positioning.

Any other reasons why Veigar is more powerful or why Syndra gets ragged on? OH! Hey Veigar! How oftern have you had over 1000 AP? And you Syndra? Oh... That's disappointing. Hmm. Veigar has means of getting AP as part of his kit! Yet people ragged on Syndra, who is limited to items! ( and Runes and masteries)

Both have point in click spell ults. Syndra gets ragged more because... you visually see more spheres hitting on you, as such, equating each sphere with it's own individual damage. Unlike Veigar, who has just one projectile.

Anything else?

As far I can see, Veigar is more annoying with his burst. The few things Syndra does better is her q cool down (I will confirm this tomorrow. I do not want to open another tab tonight), her... ummm... I think that's it. Anything else I can say Veigar does better, yet no one rags on him. Nerf the low play rate Syndra and leave the higher play rate, more powerful Veigar alone.

doubleguac1 votes

Vi is strong as hell right now, and extremely easy to play. She doesn't seem to have any glaring weaknesses either. Which makes for a pretty lethal combination in solo queue.

And Syndra has been super strong for months.

Shyv, and Yas feel more like situational bans to me.

Risk of Fate1 votes

Without including Camille cause new champ

Caitlyn Cassiopeia Graves Lux LeeSin Vi Vayne Ivern

These are my problem picks. Either myself or my team will get these guys hyperfed.

420 grams1 votes

Illaoi and zac are a must

Tukan Tonko1 votes

Leblanc because I hate her.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

LeeSin Hecarim Syndra and Leblanc are pretty much must-ban too.

Live2LetDie1 votes

if you havent played against a Nautilus in top lane then you dont understand. Its such a free lane playing him haha i been spaming it and destroying plat+ tops and i main jungle :)

Vekkna1 votes

Plus, like...the rest of the jungle. Vi Hecarim Khazix LeeSin if there were any actual bans left for him. Not to mention Twitch

Unpaladin1 votes

There kind of is, right now there's enough bans in high level play that 10 bans is just enough to cut out those, maybe you can fit in one or two salt bans. There may be no champions doing anything ridiculous right now but those who are strong stand out by a lot, so they get banned because they have good stats.

Wînter Fox1 votes

That's what I really mean - there's no champions doing anything ridiculous right now. Sure there might be a few strong Champs at 55% win rate of something that need a slap on the wrist, but that's not MUST BAN

Unpaladin1 votes

Fair enough. I wouldn't say it's the only time this has happened, pre-juggernaut patch and for a little while past when devourer was removed things looked pretty good and was considered like that by many.

At the same time though, right now it almost seems like not picking the champions with the best stats means you're putting yourself at a disadvantage. Perhaps there's an issue with how many are considered strong right now and it's only just becoming apparent?

CrazyBear19871 votes

I would add:

Ivern Camille Leblanc LeeSin

just to be safe

Catastrop1 votes

Jayce Hecarim Kennen Leblanc LeeSin Rengar Vayne Twitch Anything else isn't worth the ban in my opinion.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

there are currently over 100 must ban champions if you ask enough people

warpenguin5551 votes

Yasuo Vayne Rengar Camille Twitch Caitlyn and almost every early game jungler.

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