The possible problem with supports in Mobas

PhantomGG··1 votes·921 views

So after comparing supports from MMORPGS, to rpgs, to than compare them to mobas, I finally realized the issue with supports in mobas, that maybe riot can fix if they and we alter our perception on what a support is.

A support for the most part, is a character who has the following

-utility abilities -defensive abilities -stat altering abilities

For rpgs this would be the white mage or the enchanter classes

for mmorpgs, this would be classes such as healer and mostly the mage classes in general

However Mobas do something that most rpgs and mmorpgs don't do.

They make support classes mandatory for your party.

In a final fantasy game, you can easily create a team comp that focuses on damage dealers and tanks, and get by just fine without a healer.

For MMORPGS the games are often designed so you can play solo on any class you want. For MMORPGS they especially have to do this, other wise it would make the game impossible to play for players who tend to be introverts and play solo. The only exception to this would be very difficult raids, where you need just about everything on your team to win. But depending on which game, a "support" class, may still not be necessary to win a raid.

For example on the game of vindictus or black dessert their is no support class, only dps and tank classes.

The issue i'm trying to get at here, is for league of legends, especially in high elo, the support class is mandatory to have if you want to win.

Healers such as sorrakaor sona Utility pick makers like thresh Front line pure CC champs like braum or nautlist

Those classes tend to be less popular, people much rather be part of the action and getting kills. It takes a special personality to enjoy playing "team white mage"

So what i'm saying here, what is wrong with league of legends, is the problem almost all mobas share.

it's the only genre of game that makes support MANDATORY to play. Especially on high level play.

11 Comments

0otay1 votes

I dont think thats a problem

khorney1 votes

umm its only league. trust me in heroes its not like that, in heroes of the storm the game is a actual team game. you can win having 2 supp and thats busted

0otay1 votes

League of Legends is very teamwork heavy... I don't understand what you were trying to point out about supports, could you elaborate please?

PhantomGG1 votes

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League of Legends is very teamwork heavy... I don't understand what you were trying to point out about supports, could you elaborate please?

in other game genres, a team comp is completely fine if you don't have a support class, if you don't have one on league, you are pretty boned. So perhaps damage supports like Brand/Zyra should be more explored.

0otay1 votes

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in other game genres, a team comp is completely fine if you don't have a support class, if you don't have one on league, you are pretty boned. So perhaps damage supports like Brand/Zyra should be more explored.

Thats what makes League of Legends so UNIQUE my good SIR!

I had an epiphany and disprove of your message summoner 11

0otay1 votes

Although yes it would be cool to have more Damage based supports.. but that would out rule the utility supports and it could be too OP

Faie1 votes

Is that a problem though? You also can't get by without a tank, or without mixed damage, etc. League is a team game that requires all these components.

PhantomGG1 votes

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Is that a problem though? You also can't get by without a tank, or without mixed damage, etc. League is a team game that requires all these components.

this is actually a incorect statement, tanks are only mandatory when carry top laners are under powered.

We have had metas that consisted of

Fiora Top Kindred/Graves Jg Ap Mid mage Support Marksman/Adc

BastionKross1 votes

RPGs tend to be more single player unless they're MMO, so supports are fine there because the same person controls all the classes at once; both supporting and murdering everything. It also helps that you're only supporting yourself and not another person, since you tend to trust your own abilities more than some random stranger on the internet.

MMOs I don't have much experience with, but the ones I've played had the support classes also able to solo a dungeon or complete quests by themselves because you can't expect players in an MMO to always be in a group. So, the white mages of MMOs tend to be able to handle themselves solo if they need to farm ten wolf pelts alone or something.

Meanwhile, in League, try marching Soraka through the enemy jungle and see how well you can fight the enemy Lee you encounter there. Hell, just try to take his wolf camp with any sort of expediency. It's not going to be pretty. You need a completely different mindset to enjoy being so heavily specialized that you literally need your team to the extent some LoL supports do.

Soraka and Sona got nerfed and reworked as soon as they set foot outside bot lane and tried to become self sufficient. Lulu somehow managed to escape bot lane and rise above being support, as Riot started balancing her around mid and top play. Leo and Kench barely set foot top lane anymore. Thresh used to be able to ADC. Ali was a jungler who got banished to support for making towers an unsafe zone for his opponents, just like every tower in modern League. Blitz used to be an AD top laner that was kidnapped to support and has been held hostage ever since.

It almost seems like champions get punished by being made into supports. "Oh no, you're far too toxic in lane. We're nerfing you so hard they'll only play you support from now on."

dark100dark1001 votes

There is truth in here. In League, you must play a single role, and no chance of adaptation by swapping roles if somebody is a bad player. If a mid laner is a feeder, you can't switch roles. You cannot say you are a noob, take a healer, go bot, keep the adc alive, and I will try to fix mid. Instead there is a 25 min suffering, where you know the game is lost. Unless you take an ap-mage, there is literally no way to fix a bad game.

This is why I enjoy overwatch, where you can start with a healer / defender and move something else if needed.

PhantomGG1 votes

glad to see actual conversations happened on this topic XD was starting to fear it was just going to be a topic where all i get is "So what?" as a answer

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