damn they are nerfing HALF of kindreds early game damage

Mody bird·May 4, 2016·1 votes·682 views

I know she is too strong, but is this really necessary?

This is Gut tier

16 Comments

Goodest GamerMay 4, 20165 votes

So now he's going to do normal damage. Wow!

RysophageMay 4, 20161 votes

TRIGGERED. *THEY

Giga KahunaMay 4, 20162 votes

to be fair they said they'll see how it goes and possibly tone down the nerf

though kindred is an incredibly strong early game jungler that has near post-6 warwick gank potential at 7 minutes, the nerf was overdue forever

Bears Dont CareMay 4, 20161 votes

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to be fair they said they'll see how it goes and possibly tone down the nerf

though kindred is an incredibly strong early game jungler that has near post-6 warwick gank potential at 7 minutes, the nerf was overdue forever

You make it sound like Warwick is a frightening jungler past level 6. Single target suppression.

Don't want to know what AMumu/Sejuani are like then...

Giga KahunaMay 4, 20162 votes

walking out into the lane and getting a free kill by pressing a single button is frightening

it might be tougher bottom but if your laners aren't a couple of doofus' you'll still get you or the carry kill

the problem is kindred + red could do this when warding totem's recharge time is real long or before anyone's even backed and bought a pink

Bears Dont CareMay 4, 20161 votes

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walking out into the lane and getting a free kill by pressing a single button is frightening

There are many, many champs that can do the same thing if not more. I never understood why the community treated Warwick' ultimate like it was something horribly powerful. Malzahar's deals more damage with a lower CD if i remember correctly and it is ranged. Amumu can do the same thing to your entire team. Malphite does the same but his is a knockup so no cleanse.

My point is... Warwick's ult isn't actually a strong ult as many believe it to be.

it might be tougher bottom but if your laners aren't a couple of doofus' you'll still get you or the carry kill

Warwick's ultimate has never been a free kill. A stun wil stop his ability. Malphite's ultimate CANNOT be stopped unless he is killed ad he'll hit both the ADC and support.

the problem is kindred + red could do this when warding totem's recharge time is real long or before anyone's even backed and bought a pink Kindred is...eh i am conflicted.

Giga KahunaMay 4, 20161 votes

i'm not talking about team fights or anything else, i'm talking about ganking a lane

malz's ult doesn't do much damage at all anymore and he isn't a common jungler, malph's ult (assuming he built tank) trades off the damage and cc duration for aoe and the incredible engage, and amumu is kind of the same way but he has to land his skillshot to get in instead of just barreling in

ww however is going to be jungling and his ult will scale with what he builds in general

i'm not saying ww's ult is consistently godlike throughout the game, i'm saying a top / mid gank post-6 on ww is almost always going to be a kill / forced flash (if the lane wasn't warded)

bot can interrupt his ult but this should be the job of the teammates he's ganking: to cc whoever can stop him and then shred who he ulted

Bears Dont CareMay 5, 20161 votes

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i'm not talking about team fights or anything else, i'm talking about ganking a lane.

In which there are several junglers capable of doing the same thing before 6, like Amumu, or AOE knocking up an entire team, like Malphite or AMumu.

malz's ult doesn't do much damage at all anymore and he isn't a common jungler, malph's ult (assuming he built tank) trades off the damage and cc duration for aoe and the incredible engage, and amumu is kind of the same way but he has to land his skillshot to get in instead of just barreling in

Okay, but you can't say "anymore" and then reference to Warwick in the past. We must consider their current iteration. Furthermore, Warwick's ult will not deal much damage unless you stack on hit items, something that is less and less popular because of how much mobility and CC is available in the game.

Let alone that argument of AMumu is poor. He can easily Q in on a minion, or flash like warwick then pop his ult.

ww however is going to be jungling and his ult will scale with what he builds in general

That goes for ANY champion though, and Warwick being entirely reliant on his ult means if he i stunned in a team fight during his ult, all that damage is gone.

i'm not saying ww's ult is consistently godlike throughout the game, i'm saying a top / mid gank post-6 on ww is almost always going to be a kill / forced flash (if the lane wasn't warded)

But again, the same can be said for Sejuani, Amumu, any champ with a powerful ult.

bot can interrupt his ult but this should be the job of the teammates he's ganking: to cc whoever can stop him and then shred who he ulted

Except Malphite and amumu can do the same thing but without reliant on a teammate to stop the opposing team. Gone are the days where warwick was a fierce champ.

Giga KahunaMay 5, 20161 votes

okay you really don't seem to get what i'm saying i am talking about his ability to gank a lane post 6 don't try and bring up any points on how amumu, malphite or anyone else's aoe cc for anything other than ganking a lane. i am not talking about team fight potential.

amumu cannot gank a lane pre-6 to the same effect a post-6 ww can

with bloodrazor, wit's end, guinsoos and blade of the ruined king (which mind you are nearly all core on ww) will let his ult do plenty of damage, and assuming it's just as he hit 6, even with bloodrazor it'll do fine.

amumu has to land a skillshot to get into the lane, ww has a point and click snare. malphite's only cc pre-6 is his q, post-6 it's his ult which has a cc duration of .3 seconds less than ww. malphite's ult also can be dodged, even if it's incredibly hard to do so. ww's ult cannot be dodged.

i am referencing ww as he is now, ww's ult hasn't changed since malzahar's has.

generally, against amumu, malphite, etc, they're not going to build a ton of ap as opposed to building tank items. this is what i mean by the ult damage will scale with his core items, this isn't the case with a lot of tanks.

none of this even has to do with the fact kindred had ganking potential as threatening as a point and click snare before anyone would normally back.

Bears Dont CareMay 6, 20161 votes

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okay you really don't seem to get what i'm saying i am talking about his ability to gank a lane post 6 don't try and bring up any points on how amumu, malphite or anyone else's aoe cc for anything other than ganking a lane. i am not talking about team fight potential.

I feel a if I am discussing the matter with a wall. I am discussing the post 6 gank potential...and pointing out several champs have the same potential and then some. Instead of being so obtuse and focusing on iterating your point, you should focus on what is being stated.

amumu cannot gank a lane pre-6 to the same effect a post-6 ww can

That is poor comparison because you are comparing a champ with an ult, vs a champ with an ult. Amumu post 6 has the same effect and then some post 6 than WW.

with bloodrazor, wit's end, guinsoos and blade of the ruined king (which mind you are nearly all core on ww) will let his ult do plenty of damage, and assuming it's just as he hit 6, even with bloodrazor it'll do fine.

Bloodrazor is a straight up nerf. It is 15% max health of the champion he attacks. Unless the champion he is attacking has at least 2k health, then the damage dealt from his ultimate will be LESS, than using sated devourer. Ths amount of health on squishy champions is seen near late game. Sated is generally completed on Warwick mid game. Furthermore, warwick, unlike master yi, doesn't get to utilize his auto attacks very effectively due to his reliance on his ult. Building 4 on hit items on him is ineffective as he has no method of mitigating damage/dodging damage like other auto attack cham

amumu has to land a skillshot to get into the lane, ww has a point and click snare. malphite's only cc pre-6 is his q, post-6 it's his ult which has a cc duration of .3 seconds less than ww. malphite's ult also can be dodged, even if it's incredibly hard to do so. ww's ult cannot be dodged.

Amumu can use his skillshot to get into lane pre-6 and post 6, increasing the effective range of his ultimate. Warwick has nothing pre-6.
Malphite has more CC than Warwick pre-6 again. Furthermore, Malphite's is a knock up, so it cannot be cleansed, and the damage is instant and not channeled.

i am referencing ww as he is now, ww's ult hasn't changed since malzahar's has.

You are discussing past WW when you discuss how "fearsome" it is. Lantern and red smite got nerfed/removed. Warwick's ult has always bee a strong as the items he uses.

generally, against amumu, malphite, etc, they're not going to build a ton of ap as opposed to building tank items. this is what i mean by the ult damage will scale with his core items, this isn't the case with a lot of tanks.

Warwick does not build 4 on hit items though, and guinsoo's does NOT stack on his ult. He must pre-stack it with his AA"s.

none of this even has to do with the fact kindred had ganking potential as threatening as a point and click snare before anyone would normally back.

Not a snare...its a suppression...and kindred's gank potential stemmed from hs 70% slow/damage. Available at all levels unlike WW whose gank potential is reliant on level 6 ult. He isn't as threatenining of a jungler as he used to be.

Professor DongerMay 4, 20161 votes

Warwick was one of the most frightening junglers up until about season 3. His three hit heal and magic damage made his clear incredibly fast, you couldn't invade him unless you knew you could out heal him and his post six ganks were insane.

Bears Dont CareMay 4, 20161 votes

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Warwick was one of the most frightening junglers up until about season 3. His three hit heal and magic damage made his clear incredibly fast, you couldn't invade him unless you knew you could out heal him and his post six ganks were insane.

Actually, Warwick didn't have an incredibly fast clear, he always had an incredibly SAFE clear. He didn't need to kite, or dance around mobs. Champions such as Evelynn had much faster clear speed than Warwick, and that is still true to this day. His post 6 gank was strong...yes...but there are many champs with stronger post 6 ganks as well, which is my point.

Repeating Warwick's strengths doesn't change the fact that the werewolf is not nearly as powerful as people think he is currently. Heck...the new blood razor? AWFUL for Warwick to use. He get's less damage out of it than building Wit's end or botrk unless the target is a tank.

Professor DongerMay 4, 20161 votes

He was nerfed heavily after the jungle changes in season 5 and he's never really been that strong since they got rid of Razor Blade. I never said he's strong now, i said he USED to be strong.

Ruin LanceMay 4, 20161 votes

she deserved a nerf. if i'm playing yasuo and she can literally just fucking sit there in melee range autoing me and even sit there in front of my wind wall throwing like 2 autos and a q at it at level 3 and she can STILL outduel me, then something is seriously wrong.

RysophageMay 4, 20161 votes

AND SHE IS STILL THE BEST JUNGLER IN THE GAME.