Question about Support items

only zhule·Dec 23, 2019·1 votes·1,814 views

I remember seeing something a little while back about Riot changing how the support items work. If i remember correctly, i think it was something along the lines of removing the limiter that shut off the bonus gold charges. EX: would still give you 15 gold when you hit an enemy champion with a spell or basic attack.

Anyone know if that is still in the works? I know i would love access to my late game items, and not having to relay on a horde of kills/assists (or waiting 10-15 mins per item for passive gold) to get the money.

6 Comments

FOR JUSTICEDec 23, 20191 votes

Oh that's misinterpreted, they just removed the debuff on it.

When it's complete you still won't get +15 gold per attack but just now once it's complete you no longer get the gold debuff from excessive minion kills.

only zhuleDec 23, 20191 votes

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Oh that's misinterpreted, they just removed the debuff on it.

When it's complete you still won't get +15 gold per attack but just now once it's complete you no longer get the gold debuff from excessive minion kills.

Sad, my champion of choice is TERRIBLE at killing minions.

I do wonder what the game would look like if the +15 gold per attack, never went away? Would we be seeing Supports getting end game builds around the same time as solo laners? Would we see them getting there BEFORE anyone else (sort of the person who went 15/1/x before the 20 min mark)

iiGazeiiDec 23, 20191 votes

The new support items give you more gold than before.

Between the free upgrades and the gold generation, you can walk into the mid-game with another full support item on top of the finished support item without taking a single minion or kill for yourself. You can get nearly two whole items out of a zero kill lane with zero farm.

You save 1400 gold from not needing to upgrade your support items. That's over 63 procs of the old support items. This means that in order for there to be a difference, you'd need to spend 10 minutes continuously proccing your support item after the first 1000 gold has been already earned.

Any gold deficiency you're feeling is all personal bias.

only zhuleDec 23, 20191 votes

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The new support items give you more gold than before.

Between the free upgrades and the gold generation, you can walk into the mid-game with another full support item on top of the finished support item without taking a single minion or kill for yourself. You can get nearly two whole items out of a zero kill lane with zero farm.

You save 1400 gold from not needing to upgrade your support items. That's over 63 procs of the old support items. This means that in order for there to be a difference, you'd need to spend 10 minutes continuously proccing your support item after the first 1000 gold has been already earned.

Any gold deficiency you're feeling is all personal bias.

I think it's a matter of how long your average game lasts. If your wrapping up most games around the 25 min mark, the new system is probably better. If the games go long, +60-90 gold a minute is huge.

Also i feel you missed my issue with it. It's not about the early game, it's about the mid to late game once the item is fully upgraded. If most of the kills are happening away from you, being stuck with just passive gold gain + 3per 10, really makes it hard to get that 3rd non starting item.

ZephyrDrakeDec 23, 20191 votes

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The new support items give you more gold than before.

Between the free upgrades and the gold generation, you can walk into the mid-game with another full support item on top of the finished support item without taking a single minion or kill for yourself. You can get nearly two whole items out of a zero kill lane with zero farm.

You save 1400 gold from not needing to upgrade your support items. That's over 63 procs of the old support items. This means that in order for there to be a difference, you'd need to spend 10 minutes continuously proccing your support item after the first 1000 gold has been already earned.

Any gold deficiency you're feeling is all personal bias.

Yeah that is why the items are getting changed and looked at. Love how people go "but you save money now" except you aren't? Who in their right mind fully upgraded their support items before? Other than the relic line there was no incentive to do so. So that 1400 gold gets dimished severely just by that fact alone. Also you not only lost the extra gold income you lost what also came along with it which was either extra damage, minion execute + heal or mana sustain depending on the item. Now you literally just lose those extra effects and for what? Slightly more AD/AP? The current support items feel horrible to use and thank god they seem to want to get rid of the stupid minion penalty when fully upgraded. It doesn't matter if you end up with more gold or not, If the items feel unsatisfying to use.

iiGazeiiDec 23, 20191 votes

On the contrary: it doesn't matter if YOU find them unsatisfying. You get more gold. That's what this is all about.

If you didn't upgrade it before, then the new items are a massive improvement. You get a mountain of stats from the free upgrade compared to leaving it at the second tier

The main benefit is that you get to start building the item you actually want immediately, rather than needing to invest your first purchase into getting your Sightstone online so you can actually function.