How to properly nerf nidalee

SwiftKitten88··4 votes·618 views

TLDR: removed hunted proc from traps, and give them back their true vision her current PBE nerf will hurt lower elos a LOT, and will BARELY hurt higher elos MY nerf is goign to hurt higher elo nidalee a WHOLE hell of a lot more than riots pbe nerf, and at the same time will NOT hurt lower elo nidalee, so if you want to find out WHY... read the rest of the post

Ok lets get this over with... YES i am a nidalee main.. NO nidalee is NOT OP, UNTIL she reaches diamond+, YES she needs a nerf at diamond +,

because the fact is even as a nidalee main.. anyone with half a brain can see that 54% win rate in challenger is OP and as a nidalee main i can tell you, Riots PBE nerf will NOT hurt her enough at higher elo to stop her from still being an issue, but WILL hurt her at LOWER elos where she already does pretty bad, and frankly is just the WRONG way to do it.

now i could go into specific as to WHY her current pbe nerf is bad and why it wont accomplish what needs to be done but i have done that already and u can find that here http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jwi3plmE-why-the-current-pbe-nid-nerf-is-bad?

but as I'm sure most of you arn't going to read that anyways, so to sum it up in a way YOU care about. it will make nidalee MORE annoying to fight.. it wont hurt her higher elos ENOUGH, and it WILL drastically hurt her lower elos..

It did take me a few days to come up with this nerf, but i believe this is the proper way to do it which is to remove the "hunted" proc from traps

interestingly enough almost EVERY issue with nid has been from her most worthless ability.. traps

during the start of this season every nidalee started traps and had a stupid easy, fast, and SAFE jungle clear

trap root was removed which made it less safe but still doable. and nerf after nerf hit her until it became so freaking hard to clear starting traps.. that only the BEST of the BEST will do it.. because if you take even 1 or 2 extra hits form a camp.. your either need to back or you get executed.

so ONLY higher elos can start traps/pounce

well right now for everyone who CAN'T start traps/pounce.. nid can be stopped really easy with a lvl 2 invade. because she wont have her escape or or scouting skill until lvl 3 you can either kill her or force her away from her camp. and have to back

yet for the players who CAN start traps/pounce you CAN'T invade her.. because not only can she clear FASTER but if you DO invade she can pounce away and kite you... which means she easily has enough time for her team to come help her.

also another thing that DRASTICALLY increase nidalee clear speed IS the fact that she can place traps to do a long range pounce over a wall yeah she can do this with a spear.. but if you are going to invade.. you want to keep that spear for the person you are invading. so without traps procing hunted on jungle camps you either need to spear them to pounce over.. meaning you wont have the spear for the player.. you need to do a normal pounce over.. which mean you didn't get a pounce reset and cant kite them. or you need to take the long way.

so we are not only hurting nidalee clear speed. are are hurting the pro- player ability she has to not get invaded, we are ALSO hurting her ability to counter jungle.

at the same time.. we are NOT hurting her lower elo play, becuase no one at lower elo can start traps anyways so they can already be counter jungled at lvl 2. and no one will come to their junglers aid in lower elo either making the counter jungle even easier. VERY few nidalee players at lower elo USE traps to jungle fast clear for pouncing over or invades and just just them for scouting. so again we arn't hurting their clear speed because it is already fine. and like wise.. most low elo nid jungle can't counterjungle for shit anyways.

likewise we are NOT doing to current PBE nerf which if you read my other thread it link is a HORRIBLE idea and will make nid just sit back and throw spears all day.. and WOULD drastically hurt her lower elo yet barely effect her higher elos, AND would make nid LESS fun to play.

MY idea WILL hurt nidalee at higher level play were she IS an issue and will NOT hurt her in lower level play where she is NOT an issue

3 Comments

SwiftKitten882 votes

i like how people downvote this before they read this and don't even realize that the nerf i am suggesting is going to hurt nidalee at higher elos a whole freaking a hell of a lot more than riot's current pbe nerf.

i love these forums..

Nidalee main suggests nidalee nerf that hurts her WAY more than riots nerf pbe nerf, gets downvoted by people who hate nidalee

SwiftKitten882 votes

ok nid how has another iteration of changes on the pbe...

6 second pounce at all lvls and 3 second reset..

... riot.. PLEASE do u ANY of you even KNOW how nidalee works?

SHE ISNT A DIVER, THE RESET IT THERE TO GET HER OUT AFTER THE TRADE!!!

she has a HEAL to HEAL the damage after the trade.

NOT a shield

she has ZERO MR scaling

your removed the MR and armor bonus from kitty for in season 3

she is a squishy target that pounces in and now your making her stay in range for THREE seconds at ALL ranks?

HAVE YOU COMPLETELY LOST YOUR MIND???

FULL ARMOR 3K HP TANKS DIE IN 2 SECONDS RIGHT NOW!!! https://youtu.be/MP6kO4GB1XE?t=2930

you expect nidalee to stay in range for THREE seconds? with less than 2k hp... and less than 100 armor and mr, AFTER she has just blown ALL her cooldowns?

i understand this is PBE and this isn't necessarily going to go live. but my god... why do u even need to TEST this?

how can u guys blatantly NOT understand how a champions kit works?

the issue is the TRAPS resetting the pounce and procing hunted.. NOT the POUNCE.

does no one remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zueBih_n7qQ

SwiftKitten881 votes

ok now we have a third iteration on pbe. which honestly IS a nerf vs live. but.. im not entirely sure how it will affect her.

Takedown (Cougar Q):
    Cooldown lowered to 6 from 7 [live value currently = 5]

Pounce (Cougar W):
    Cooldown changed to 6 at all ranks from 7/6.5/6/5.5/5  (live value = 5)
        Enhanced pounce cooldown reverted to 3/2.5/2/1.5 from 3.5/3/2.5/2

Primal Surge (Human E):
    Heal value changed, base heal value changed + heal value now scales on targets missing health.
        Value is now [25/45/65/85/105 (+25% AP) to 50/90/130/170/210 (+50% AP) based on missing health] from [45/85/125/165/205 (+50% AP)]
Swipe (Cougar E) cooldown increased to 6 from 5

honestly all the takedown nerf is really going to do is hurt her early clear except it hurts it for all elos

in increased pounce cooldown is really only going to hurt her chase and her escape.. which honestly i dont have an issue with i do like however that it will certainly hurt the "trap clear" that is already nearly impossible.. im not sure if it will completly prevent higher elos from doing it though

the primal surge change, really depends on what % missing health the max value kicks in at as she certainly takes more damage at lower elos than higher elos this COULD be a nerf to higher wirhout hurting lower,, but i cant be sure sure until i know what % the 50/90/130/170/210 (+50% AP) kicks in at

swipe also with an increase cooldown will only affect her early clear.

aka every nerf seem to be targeting her early clear at higher elos

and although im pretty sure it WILL make her clear harder for higher elos, i am not 100% sure it wont also hurt lower elos

plus there is the issue that my solution in the original post will also accomplish what riot is trying to do and certain and will hurt higher elos a LOT more

i an also curious as to how

    Cooldown changed to 6 at all ranks from 7/6.5/6/5.5/5  (live value = 5)

is even possible... pounce scales with the level of your ultimate so it only has 4 levels at levels 1/6/11/16

honestly even as a nidalee main.. i would need to test these change to form a definitive answer on what exactly the outcome of these changes would be.

nidalee's clear is already pretty hard for any elo. as long as these changes don't get me executed. i don't have much of an issue with them

still i think my solution would be better, as i an nearly 100% sure that will remove her issue at higher elos, and also nearly positive it wont hurt lower elos much.

still.. this change it at least something definitely worthy of PBE as honestly even i would need to test it to make sure that i can still clear

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