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Camille is balanced, hear me out.

Radiant Wukong·Dec 30, 2016·2 votes·628 views

When I played my first 6 matches against , I got completely destroyed and immediately came to these same boards telling RIOT to do a number check on this OP champ with a fully loaded kit.

Base numbers on par with most juggernauts (excluding ) with an overly impressive kit. She has everything, cc, mobility, all damage types, healing, etc.

Playing against her was extremely oppressive. So... I bought her and I used her and I won matches and I lost matches. After playing roughly 15 games with her, I expressed to my teammates not to ban her because I wanted to learn how to lane against her.

In the lane match I played, I literally just had the top lane call my champ broken, to which everybody (her teammates, my teammates and myself) jokingly replied, "Says the Camille."

I'll admit, it's not hard to effectively use Camille's kit... like... at all. It's Bronzeville written all over it, but it does give a lot of room for outplay if you're using the right champs. Camille is only "strong" in laning phase and her actual kit isn't bad. Secret is, all of her power is in her passive shield. So... you have 2 options for owning her in lane.

Option A) Burst her before she can basic attack you. Option B) If she gets an AA off, save all your abilities until she starts her retreat. If you use your abilities while her shield is up, she tanks it all.

After the trade, stay inside or outside her W. Yes, inside half is completely safe to get hit by, it tickles a little.

Here's a list of champions I'm going to name that successfully counter her top/mid lane if played correctly.

If you need a description for specific strategies, just comment the champion name and I'll reply in full detail how to win mid/top lane.

I specifically mention mid/top lane, because she's a completely different beast coming from the jungle, but so are many other champions (like ) so that doesn't make her oppressive or in need of a nerf.

13 Comments

zacktootallDec 30, 20161 votes

Radiant WukongDec 30, 20161 votes

Not only does Vi scale better, but her early game damage is higher as well. I normally play safe until level 3, and I take Fervor of Battle.

Step 1 (same thing I told the other guy): No reason at all she should be landing her E on you, stand in the middle of lane and walk the opposite direction of where she zips to wall. That ability is incredibly slow unless you get hit by W 1st.

With that said, I normally use my E after she procs her shield (which also brings up your shield), early game, between your E and 3rd strike, you'll melt her past her shielding. Then use q to keep on her after she runs. Definitely try to get item 3044 item 3144 item 1001 as soon as possible, but Vi's power is in sticking to her.

In the short time span of levels 3 - 5, Camille will catch on and strictly use Q pokes, you're at her mercy here. Your only gap closer is Q, and she will E away with shielding after an AA if you try it.

So you wait until 6, then you let her push you all the way to turret. Now you can safely engage with Q (for the record if she uses E during your Q cast, her E is too slow and she'll be damaged still, when I was playing, even though she took damage, she still zipped to wall, ignoring my CC, same thing happened when I used Sion's Q) then instantly engage with R if she gets away. After that, you can do away with the mouse hand and let AAs finish her off (but keep that right index finger on the E to reset and get bonus damage).

zacktootallDec 30, 20161 votes

thank you now this may sound a little troll and im almost never in blind pick but what if Camille vs Camille

OleandervineDec 30, 20161 votes

I barely play top lane, being a support main, and my first few games I went something like 24/5/10 with her. Now I know I'm not that skilled, and while I love her to bits, I have to admit that she's got a lot of power built into her kit that needs some toning down to get her to a more balanced state. I'm not calling for a witch hunt with her like everyone else, but she does need Q2 to have some of the true damage reduced, as well as some of the %HP damage during her R's active reduced. She shreds enemies far too easily for not building for it, and even tanks can struggle against her. Other than those issues, I feel her kit plays well.

Asayake 5150glowDec 30, 20161 votes

She bursted me for half my health as Riven with a simple E+auto+Q.

I can't even cancel her E because it cancels my third Q -_-

Let me do that and I'd be happy. Or if I stun her during the first part, it should also cancel it.

I can dodge her E, but still won't be able to fight her due to Q being just too powerful, and if I use my mobility for damage, she'll get a free W proc as I dissengage.

She should never cast her W until she dissengages unless it's just for poke.

Her E range is absolute bs. I've literally stunned people by pressing E on them twice, because I just hit a random wall, don't even know which it was, and went back to them.

Illaoi match up is also incredibly, easy, I've played it. Max W and poke through minions, kill tentacles almost instantly with your auto reset, and go for quick trades.

Option A is impossible due to her E being CC. It's even worse if you're also 125 range like her.

Option B didn't work since they literally all inned my lvl 2. I managed to win it since I took ignite to cheese them.

Radiant WukongDec 30, 20161 votes

So your problem is you're getting hit by E. Simply put I walk to the opposite wall she dashes too, very slow animation to dodge it then stun her on arrival with W, proc TL with 1 Q and AA, then use 2nd and 3rd to create space.

I save my E for her W and I dash in with it, not away!

Riven's combo are available faster than her shield. Riven melts Camille faster than Camille can melt her, if Camille's shield is down.

Also, what mastery are you using with Riven? If you're using Fervor of Battle, then you need to stun Camille, and walk behind her (so she can't go to turret), wait for shield to drop, then rape her life. In the open lane, use your E to absorb the second Q.

If you're like me, you use Colossus and you can actually trade with her. Unfortunately, Colossus has a lot longer CD than Camille's passive so you have to choose your engages wisely.

Lane is way to wide to be getting hit by E's though. Keep yourself in the middle of the lane against her.

Asayake 5150glowDec 30, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Heir of Lito,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ABYuXeiI,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-12-30T22:54:04.697+0000)

So your problem is you're getting hit by E. Simply put I walk to the opposite wall she dashes too, very slow animation to dodge it then stun her on arrival with W, proc TL with 1 Q and AA, then use 2nd and 3rd to create space.

I save my E for her W and I dash in with it, not away!

Riven's combo are available faster than her shield. Riven melts Camille faster than Camille can melt her, if Camille's shield is down.

Also, what mastery are you using with Riven? If you're using Fervor of Battle, then you need to stun Camille, and walk behind her (so she can't go to turret), wait for shield to drop, then rape her life. In the open lane, use your E to absorb the second Q.

If you're like me, you use Colossus and you can actually trade with her. Unfortunately, Colossus has a lot longer CD than Camille's passive so you have to choose your engages wisely.

Lane is way to wide to be getting hit by E's though. Keep yourself in the middle of the lane against her.

I got hit with E since I just walked to lane (I was red side) and was lvl 2. I was fine with playing safe and just farming till I'd evened up the experience difference, to make use of my Caulfields vs her Dorans + long sword but with her regen being so much better than mine... And she got waaaaay too many stats from being 1 level up that I couldn't use my gold advantage.

I've never been able to time my W right to stun her after she comes out -_-. Stunning her during it doesn't stop it. I'd tried third Q'ing, but her E stops that, not the other way around.

She rarely even used W, and by that point I wasn't able to fight her due to being outstatchecked, and yes I did go in for quick trades, but once she gets ult she doesn't even need to hit her E - the AS is enough for her to outdps you.

Fairly sure Camille melts Riven faster if she has an experience lead, which is why I think the main problem is with how well her base stats scale with level (some of the best in the game at level 18, mostly only beat or matched by juggernauts).

I took Stormraiders, but I didn't have the damage to proc it due to aforementioned base stats.

I didn't get hit by E's often later, but didn't feel confident enough to trade, since I usually used my E to dodge her E. AS boost + Q resets probably woulda destroyed me tho.

What was really disgusting was the 3k health with Triforce+BC as 'defensive' items.

Radiant WukongDec 30, 20161 votes

2740 health to be exact, not 3k, 300 is a big difference. I will admit I'm guilty of being obliterated coming from a leash (but not just Camille). This just gave me a new post idea topic.

Asayake 5150glowDec 30, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Heir of Lito,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ABYuXeiI,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-30T23:39:54.588+0000)

2740 health to be exact, not 3k, 300 is a big difference. I will admit I'm guilty of being obliterated coming from a leash (but not just Camille). This just gave me a new post idea topic.

Well she had a Spectre's Cowle too by that point... :P

But still, I had a fucking Dead Mans and BC vs her 4 damage items and spectres, and she had 400 more health than me like wtf. Her armor wasn't even much lower than mine even tho I think she forgot to sell Lucidity boots, due to her 90 base armor at lvl 18.

Radiant WukongDec 31, 20161 votes

But, when I play Riven, regardless of what keystone I'm using (Fervor, Thunderlord, Colossus) I always take runic armor. Against certain matchups you don't want to have your Q maxed at level 10, instead of 9

1 Q 2 E 3 W 4 Q 5 E 6 R 7 Q 8 E 9 Q 10 Q 11 R 12 E 13 E 14 W 15 W 16 R 17 W 18 W

I also recommend rush completing item 3074 into item 3812 , then going item 3158 item 3071 item 3026 item 3072 .

I assure you, with that much lifesteal, and having RH/DD early game, you shouldn't have a problem with Camille. Riven has the advantage of fully benefiting from AD items because it also works with her shield. Which is why having early points in E is greatly beneficial with sustaining in lane.

Asayake 5150glowDec 31, 20161 votes

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But, when I play Riven, regardless of what keystone I'm using (Fervor, Thunderlord, Colossus) I always take runic armor. Against certain matchups you don't want to have your Q maxed at level 10, instead of 9

1 Q 2 E 3 W 4 Q 5 E 6 R 7 Q 8 E 9 Q 10 Q 11 R 12 E 13 E 14 W 15 W 16 R 17 W 18 W

I also recommend rush completing into , then going .

I assure you, with that much lifesteal, and having RH/DD early game, you shouldn't have a problem with Camille. Riven has the advantage of fully benefiting from AD items because it also works with her shield. Which is why having early points in E is greatly beneficial with sustaining in lane.

I don't build much lifesteal tbh :P I got DD this game since it's a defensive item.

In my Stormraiders mastery page, I go 12/18/0 so :/ I usually take Veteran Scars anyway for the stronger early game.

Radiant WukongDec 31, 20161 votes

All of the runes I buy are scaling runes (except Lethatlity because penetration doesn't scale) because I'm always thinking mid-late game.

Runic Armor's 8% bonus effectively lets your E absorb 524 damage instead of 485. Your lifesteal becomes 37 instead of 34 (brought to incredible highs with Bloodlust), which would force Camille to build item 3123 just to counter you the lifesteal, but you'd definitely still outburst her in raw damage with your shield keeping you alive.

Asayake 5150glowDec 31, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Heir of Lito,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ABYuXeiI,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-31T00:27:17.798+0000)

All of the runes I buy are scaling runes (except Lethatlity because penetration doesn't scale) because I'm always thinking mid-late game.

Runic Armor's 8% bonus effectively lets your E absorb 524 damage instead of 485. Your lifesteal becomes 37 instead of 34 (brought to incredible highs with Bloodlust), which would force Camille to build just to counter you the lifesteal, but you'd definitely still outburst her in raw damage with your shield keeping you alive.

Early game she shits on me tho, with Q being not bursty at all.

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