Vayne isn't op, just buy randuins and make her crits useless

Pyrithegethon·Nov 14, 2016·1 votes·1,095 views

All you terrible players saying she one shots when Randuins makes crit non existent need to get better at this game.

37 Comments

Ruin LanceNov 14, 20165 votes

it's kind of weird that vayne has the highest winrate of any adc AND everyone complains about her, and actually complaining about something justified. it's like she IS actually op!

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 14, 20162 votes

i thought twitch had a higher win rate? 54.68% compared to vayne at 52.84%

so when is a win rate ok? over 50% needs nerf but below 50% needs buffs? its impossible to have all champs at a 50% win rate

Ruin LanceNov 15, 20162 votes

i think it kind of depends on the role. but for adc role specifically i think an adc can be considered strong at 51%+, and vayne has a ~53%, which for this patch currently, is the highest winrate of any adc since armor pen and such was changed.

she's basically an assassin that shreds tanks right now and it's kind of ridiculous to fight because it's hard to COMPLETELY shut her down since she can get back in the game so easily.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

ok and twitch has invisablity , range increased on ult and armor shred aoe damage and true damage and has a higher win rate...

WoonStruckNov 15, 20161 votes

Twitch doesn't have a 25% play rate, and Vayne's listed as highest winrate atm.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

he also is #1 adc by win rate +35mins

Bronze II Yasuo Nov 15, 20161 votes

Winrate isn't a good stat if that was true we would Sion support woulda been nerf long time since hes always had the highest winrate among supports for the longest while

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

ok then if that is the case then no one can bitch about vaynes win rate lol

Bronze II Yasuo Nov 15, 20161 votes

Who was bitching about her in the first place? People who use winrate as an example to justify balance are brain dead ofc if the winrate goes beyond 60%+ with a high play rate then thats a different story

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

nearly every other post is people crying vayne is op and broken and unfair

Bronze II Yasuo Nov 15, 20161 votes

Considering she can rush one item then deal half your health with one item spike yes. But it's not that over the top as people are making it seem tbh lol

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

oh i agree. and i got flamed , called a troll, a retard, liar, and got like 75 downvotes cuz i said i have no issues with her and won vs her top lane as a melee champ and when i faced her other wise in a game i was 2 out of 3 vs her..

WoonStruckNov 15, 20161 votes

At IE+SS she does more damage than many assassins if she crits at least 2 out of the three autos to proc her W, which is very likely.

Considering she'll almost always have more than that at 18, there pretty much is no shutting her down. Its just marginalizing her currently absurd scaling.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20162 votes

downvoted cuz i proved twitch has a higher win rate? by nearly 2%?

Ruin LanceNov 15, 20161 votes

i didn't downvote you, but according to champion.gg vayne has the highest winrate.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

has twitch above

WoonStruckNov 15, 20163 votes

You gotta realize that on the boards someone will downvote you no matter what, even if you say something factual and relevant.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

oh im aware i just ask why and want people to justify it... lol

trust me i am aware of down votes i have about 60 of them if not more on another thread about vayne cuz i claimed i typically dont see her or have issues vs her... and that i beat her top lane as melee champs

Stephen The GNov 14, 20163 votes

-10% damage = useless? if your building this against a vayne your either tanky and your not worrying about her crits but her percentage health true damage or your squishy and -10% might make that 1 shot a two shot so i dont really think "randuins makes crit non existent"

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 14, 20161 votes

crits are physical damage ... armor reduces physical damage taken, this also reduces crits another 10% making it more effective vs crit based champs who auto attack along with the hp you get and the debuff of attack speed

Stephen The GNov 15, 20162 votes

on paper yes but in game she can still delete you if your squishy and if your tanky if she lands her stun your dead without your team, true damage plus a draven like crit kill me now pls

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

vayne stun is conditional to being condemned into a wall its not a stun otherwise

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 14, 20162 votes

HOW DARE YOU OVER COUNTER PLAY ARGUMENTS TO VAYNE !!

dont you know that isnt what the sheep want... they wanna cry about everything and not have to counter play or counter build anything ...

BALDG1VEN BOOMERNov 14, 20162 votes

Do you know what true damage is? Doesn't look like lol

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 14, 20162 votes

majority of her damage dont come from her silver bolts passive ... it is coming from crit

CritkeeperNov 14, 20162 votes

she crits harder than trynd does

do you know how fucking angry that makes trynd mains? Thats right. Even angrier than normal.

In fact, I'm positively vitriolic.

WoonStruckNov 14, 20161 votes

Vayne's auto->Q have a higher AD ratio than Talon's entire kit in the majority of cases.

Randuin's lowers that to ~270-610% total AD, which is still higher than Talon's entire kit provided one of the two hits crits.

Add in one more auto, it becomes 370-835% total AD+12% max HP+120-270 magic damage which is a total Talon could never hope to reach.

With two items if she hit 18. It doesn't matter how far behind Vayne is. She's still a better, and safer, assassin than assassins now.

Consider base AD and her ult, she'd be at 254 AD with only two items at 18, meaning 1050-2400 damage+12% max HP true damage with just auto Q auto.

Randuin's does not save you from Vayne at all. The attackspeed slow does not help much, the armor does not help much. The crit reduction does not help much. You have to be full tank for it to make enough of a difference to matter...in which case you get shredded by her W instead.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

are you including the armor reducing the physical damage? crit is physical damage.. so it is reduces by armor then another 10% plus the debuff to attack speed.

WoonStruckNov 15, 20161 votes

I'm talking raw numbers the champions output.

Base armor and HP is too variable to take into accurate account, though not significant enough to hold either Talon or Vayne back alone or with a single armor item.

Considering you regard armor in both cases for AD assassins and Vayne, you can effectively exclude it from the equation and calculate total incoming damage.

Vayne currently has superior burst when compared to assassins, as well as range+DPS+AD steroid+utility and a free shred alongside it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

however in the case of talon vs vayne in your statement... talon dont use a crit build (even though he could, and he isnt auto reliant as an adc is ) so that being said the randiums works better vs a champ like vayne then it does talon...

WoonStruckNov 15, 20161 votes

If someone isn't grabbing Randuin's who had any business building it in the first place, they're extremely likely to grab Sunfire or Deadman's instead, which gives the same values, meaning Vayne would do even more than to Talon comparatively.

Randuin's is giving the worst case to Vayne, and she still destroys Talon's assassination potential and overall safety.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

i disagree to a point... randiums has aoe slow.. good for help staying on someone... it has attack speed debuff and crit reduction and it provides more armor 10 ( its not a lot but it is more )

it offers alot more to damage reduction then deadsman plate and sunfire

WoonStruckNov 15, 20161 votes

It does have more damage reduction, but the fact of the matter is that Vayne is still a superior assassin when facing someone with Randuin's than someone who isn't affected as negatively by it, like Talon, Zed, etc.

She's insanely overloaded atm to the point where the item that should be helping significantly against her does not.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 15, 20161 votes

ok but on the topic of killing vayne ideally your ap mage who has high burst and some cc should focus her from range and take her out... not the adc... not the bruiser/tank they should help by keeping mage alive or cc zoning vayne

most ad carries dont build alot of hp or mr therefore the ap mage should have damage to kill them ... and let your adc do what they do... kite and provide dps/sustain damage to other threats on a team

RogueWillNov 15, 20161 votes

only way to go against vayne currently is if she is stupid enough not to buidl life steal and you go Armor Item+ item 3143 + item 3075 which leaves you heavily invested on armor. The first item is usually item 3025 or item 3110 adding teh boots you only have one more slot for MR and orn more for HP