Nasus has a 45% winrate

HateDaddy·Jul 6, 2017·63 votes·4,169 views

Dropping from previous 47%

Look, the game is doing him no favors currently. The ult changes were nice but he becomes tankiest when he needs it the least. Either reverse the values on his ult where they start at the highest (instead of reaching their highest at the end of his ult) plus the base values or give it %damage reduction because Nasus still dies super fast. And give him %healing vs champions but only make it heal with a certain number of stacks (say 300).

Nasus sucks and needs buffs, that's the gist of this thread. I now welcome downvotes by the various circle jerks who are mad I'm not whining about ADCs being OP

144 Comments

AhristocatsJul 6, 201743 votes

to be fair nasus isn't stat checking if you get out of his E he loses a big chunck of damage+ 40 armor pen

however his point and click insane low cd slow is a bit unhealthy

i think if you want to buff him, you need to rework or work a lot on his W to make him buffable

Darkdemon653Jul 6, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=WTF DARIUS ADC ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAPh7hFL,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-07-06T16:03:03.637+0000)

to be fair nasus isn't stat checking if you get out of his E he loses a big chunck of damage

however his point and click insane low cd slow is a bit unhealthy

i think if you want to buff him, you need to rework or work a lot on his W to make him buffable

11 seconds at max rank is an insanely low CD?

AhristocatsJul 6, 201715 votes

it lasts 5 sec, and he has 40% cdr

HateDaddyJul 6, 20179 votes

[{quoted}](name=WTF DARIUS ADC ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAPh7hFL,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2017-07-06T16:06:12.975+0000)

it lasts 5 sec, and he has 40% cdr

Nasus runs Stormraiders now and will always take the mastery granting 45% CDR

arghilostJul 6, 20175 votes

{quoted}

Nasus runs Stormraiders now and will always take the mastery granting 45% CDR

well theres one of your problems playing him if you're going stormraiders. That means you aren't getting the 15% tenacity and able to go ninja tabis, you are pretty much pigeon holed into merc treads with that setup when you desperately need tabis in this meta. Not to mention that grasp is the only way you can even hope to trade/lane vs most of the current strong tops.

I wouldn't mind nasus changes but top lane needs to change a lot in general before I will play it again

TheorcheroJul 7, 20171 votes

{quoted}

well theres one of your problems playing him if you're going stormraiders. That means you aren't getting the 15% tenacity and able to go ninja tabis, you are pretty much pigeon holed into merc treads with that setup when you desperately need tabis in this meta. Not to mention that grasp is the only way you can even hope to trade/lane vs most of the current strong tops.

I wouldn't mind nasus changes but top lane needs to change a lot in general before I will play it again

Why the fuck would you be remotely interested in trading with strong top laners? Do you play nasus, or have you ever played him? He's utter garbage early. Maybe in some silver shitfest you can auto Q some dumbass melee champion and get away with it, but for the majority of the time, Nasus is going to have to wait for farm to come to him.

arghilostJul 7, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Why the fuck would you be remotely interested in trading with strong top laners? Do you play nasus, or have you ever played him? He's utter garbage early. Maybe in some silver shitfest you can auto Q some dumbass melee champion and get away with it, but for the majority of the time, Nasus is going to have to wait for farm to come to him.

lol im one of the best nasus players on the server, op.gg before you look like a complete moron.

plat 5 zero ranked games as nasus, damn you must be an expert dude lma0

TheorcheroJul 7, 20171 votes

{quoted}

lol im one of the best nasus players on the server, op.gg before you look like a complete moron.

plat 5 zero ranked games as nasus, damn you must be an expert dude lma0

I probably have 3-4 times the games you do on Nasus, but in previous seasons. I've barely played in the past couple months or so, I decayed to plat 5, and now I only play games when I feel like it or I'm about to decay.

If you try to trade with strong top laners in the early game as Nasus (if not stacking E) then you are going to get all inned and die, and you will deserve it because you played like a fuckin' idiot.

arghilostJul 7, 20171 votes

[deleted]

TheorcheroJul 7, 20171 votes

{quoted}

lol I've played nasus since before ranked existed, Ive been playing since beta. Sorry that you got called out and shutdown like a little bitch boy and then had to backtrack with excuses.

Why do you think your opinion is relevant if you haven't even played this season? Complete moron.

Bitch please, I didn't backtrack at all.

Go ahead and trade with early game powerhouses like Darius without maxing E. Your shitty little Grasp isn't gonna save you. You're going to die and you'll fucking deserve it.

You're basically saying that doing something stupid doesn't count if you're Diamond III. Sorry, but jumping off a bridge is still a fucking retarded thing to do. Doesn't matter if it's a year from now, it doesn't matter if it's a bronze or master tier player that says to do it. It's still a bad idea.

HateDaddyJul 7, 20171 votes

{quoted}

well theres one of your problems playing him if you're going stormraiders. That means you aren't getting the 15% tenacity and able to go ninja tabis, you are pretty much pigeon holed into merc treads with that setup when you desperately need tabis in this meta. Not to mention that grasp is the only way you can even hope to trade/lane vs most of the current strong tops.

I wouldn't mind nasus changes but top lane needs to change a lot in general before I will play it again

I just don't like grasp anymore. It falls off in lane phase and SS at least makes kiting you harder. I prefer the grasp playstyle but I honestly have had less success with it compared to SS. And I hate running SS on Nasus, but grasp feels like utter dog shit. I'm always torn between the two and regardless of which I take, I feel the trade off is never worth it.

Pierce The VealJul 8, 20171 votes

{quoted}

well theres one of your problems playing him if you're going stormraiders. That means you aren't getting the 15% tenacity and able to go ninja tabis, you are pretty much pigeon holed into merc treads with that setup when you desperately need tabis in this meta. Not to mention that grasp is the only way you can even hope to trade/lane vs most of the current strong tops.

I wouldn't mind nasus changes but top lane needs to change a lot in general before I will play it again

Uhm. Why are you going 12/18/0 and not 0/18/12 for the tenacity and reduced summoner spell cd?

BotifierJul 6, 20174 votes

As a nasus main can concur the cooldown is absurdly low

HateDaddyJul 6, 201711 votes

{quoted}

11 seconds at max rank is an insanely low CD?

1.05 second downtime with 45% CDR

JustARivenMainJul 6, 20171 votes

{quoted}

11 seconds at max rank is an insanely low CD?

As much as I love Susan, his W TECHNICALLY has a 6 second CD, the slow is for 5 seconds and cooldown starts when the slow does

Darkdemon653Jul 6, 20171 votes

{quoted}

As much as I love Susan, his W TECHNICALLY has a 6 second CD, the slow is for 5 seconds and cooldown starts when the slow does

No, the CD can get to 6.05 seconds certain combinations of items, masteries, and runes. Its actual CD is 11 seconds at rank 5.

ChaoticPineconeJul 6, 20171 votes

You shouldnt treat the base cooldown of abilities the same for all champions. There are certain champions who tend not to get any CDR - Yasuo, Cassiopeia, Aatrox, Tryndamere, Yi, etc. Then there are champions who love CDR but would rather have damage, so they sit at 20% or so. Then there are champions who love to stack CDR, attempting to cap out as soon as possible. Nasus is in that category.

Then there are champions whose abilities start their cooldown on cast, while others start their cooldown when the ability ends. Nasus is in the former, while champions like Fiddlesticks is in the lattert.

So yes, while the actual cooldown is 11 seconds at rank 5, its 11 seconds from cast-to-cast not the end-of-slow to start-of-next-slow, and the frequency you see a 11-second-cooldown on Nasus' W makes that point less applicable to an actual game.

CatastropJul 6, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Then there are champions whose abilities start their cooldown on cast, while others start their cooldown when the ability ends. Nasus is in the former, while champions like Fiddlesticks is in the lattert.

Actually, if you're referring to Fiddlesticks' drain, it starts the CD while the ability is channelling so you Chain Drain.

ChaoticPineconeJul 7, 20172 votes

Not anymore as of Patch 6.9.

PennsJul 6, 20174 votes

Im more worried about the even lower cd undodgable Q that 2 shots carries on a full tank with Tri Force at like 400 stacks xd

AhristocatsJul 6, 201744 votes

then better be worried by the undodgeable 1k crit damage from 550 range of an adc that has an even lower cd

SalsonJul 6, 20174 votes

So, you wanna make it a skillshot? Something like Yorick's E would actually be cool.

AhristocatsJul 6, 20172 votes

good idea, however i don't like taking ideas of other champions

if they can't find anything else, better take it tho

Anu3isIIJul 6, 20174 votes

The problem is that Wither is extremely powerful only VS Auto-Attackers, and most of them would buy QSS and upgrade it to Mercurial Scimitar.

In rest, it is a strong ranged slow, but on a very immobile champion. It is his only way to get closer to the enemy.

Weakening it would just accentuate his problem, which is being kited to death, even with 1K Stacks.

Ben SharpioJul 6, 201717 votes

Nasus isn't a team oriented champion. He has a very selfish playstyle in a meta where everyone is dedicated to keeping the carries alive and investing gold/cs into them.

HateDaddyJul 6, 201715 votes

[{quoted}](name=Corsair Sion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAPh7hFL,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-06T16:02:28.840+0000)

Nasus isn't a team oriented champion. He has a very selfish playstyle in a meta where everyone is dedicated to keeping the carries alive and investing gold/cs into them.

Yet his late game fantasy is supposed to be that of a hyper carry, yet he isn't.

RalanrJul 6, 20171 votes

Probably because the bot lane adc is getting all the protection a hypercarry needs to not die late.

HateDaddyJul 6, 20177 votes

{quoted}

Probably because the bot lane adc is getting all the protection a hypercarry needs to not die late.

It would be wasted on Nasus, he's too easy to kite

Big LincolnJul 6, 201710 votes

he just needs 360 starting ms

DJ S0NAJul 6, 20173 votes

He just needs +5 and some movement speed when using E.

RalanrJul 6, 20172 votes

But Hatedaddy, how can I kite Nasus if his team keeps locking me down or protecting him since they're giving him so much focus?

If his team is giving Nasus the same protection/dedication as they would a marksmen hypercarry, then Nasus probably wouldn't be kited so easily since it wouldn't be 1v1.

HateDaddyJul 6, 20171 votes

{quoted}

But Hatedaddy, how can I kite Nasus if his team keeps locking me down or protecting him since they're giving him so much focus?

If his team is giving Nasus the same protection/dedication as they would a marksmen hypercarry, then Nasus probably wouldn't be kited so easily since it wouldn't be 1v1.

yeah he would

It's honestly pointless to invest anything into Nasus past mid game

RalanrJul 6, 20172 votes

How can they kite if they are lockdown with hard CC?

AirKingNeoJul 6, 20175 votes

Nasus isn't a late game champion. He's a mid game champion.

Late gem he gets melted because he has no mobility to dive and ADCs will shred and mages will zone and supports will peel.

Seriously, what the difference between 500 and 600 stack nasus late game? 400 damage post mitigation in a teamfight?

Darkdemon653Jul 6, 20172 votes

{quoted}

You accounting for 40% CDR?

[{quoted}](name=WTF DARIUS ADC ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAPh7hFL,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2017-07-06T16:06:12.975+0000)

it lasts 5 sec, and he has 40% cdr

{quoted}

1.05 second downtime with 45% CDR

He has to actually build that CDR and give up other stats. It's not like he gets it for free.

Big LincolnJul 6, 201713 votes

CDR is on all of his core items???

Darkdemon653Jul 6, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAPh7hFL,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-07-06T16:19:23.218+0000)

CDR is on all of his core items???

Which he still has to build and use in place of other items

Bob the ToastrJul 6, 20177 votes

But those items just make sense with him. Why would you not get a spellblade item on a champ with a low cooldown empowered auto? Why would you not want 30% more healing on a champ that gets 20% free lifesteal?

Darkdemon653Jul 6, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bob the Toastr,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAPh7hFL,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-06T17:05:26.539+0000)

But those items just make sense with him. Why would you not get a spellblade item on a champ with a low cooldown empowered auto? Why would you not want 30% more healing on a champ that gets 20% free lifesteal?

I didn't say they don't make sense. I didn't say he wouldn't want those items with everything the way everything is. I said he still has to buy them and still has to give up other items and stats.

Bob the ToastrJul 6, 20172 votes

True, but the items that have the cdr with them are some of the best items to go with Nasus' kit (namely item 3025 or item 3078 and item 3065 ).

CatastropJul 6, 20171 votes

You are aware what Nasus' standard build is right?

Also this is CDR we're talking about, hitting 45% doesn't require much, if any, sacrifice.

Darkdemon653Jul 6, 20171 votes

{quoted}

You are aware what Nasus' standard build is right?

Also this is CDR we're talking about, hitting 45% doesn't require much, if any, sacrifice.

Yes, he gets those items because they are the best for him. No one is arguing against the effectiveness of CDR on Nasus. What you people don't understand, though, is he doesn't get that CDR or those items for free. He has to buy them, and he gives up buying other items.

Not much of a sacrifice? If Nasus had a second innate that gave him 40% CDR, do you honestly believe he wouldn't be the most broken thing in the game since beta TF?

CatastropJul 6, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Yes, he gets those items because they are the best for him. No one is arguing against the effectiveness of CDR on Nasus. What you people don't understand, though, is he doesn't get that CDR or those items for free. He has to buy them, and he gives up buying other items.

That would be a valid argument if there were items without CDR that Nasus actually wanted. However, all of his core offensive and defensive options come with CDR tacked onto them, exceptions that I'm aware of being.....well actually I'm pulling a blank here, maybe DMP?

Not much of a sacrifice? If Nasus had a second innate that gave him 40% CDR, do you honestly believe he wouldn't be the most broken thing in the game since beta TF?

I'm honestly not sure what is being disputed here, I'm talking about hitting the CDR cap in general not just when it comes to Nasus. Really, there aren't much sacrifices made when trying to achieve max CDR on pretty much every champion. Maybe back in the earlier seasons when CDR was a luxury stat with only 10% distributions on a few choice items and like 2 20% options. CDR is on so many items these days however that overcapping is a very common thing in builds. I've actually thought about dropping my CDR blues in favour of MR or AP blues because the 10% is kind of wasted unless the game is super short enough for me to not get half build.

Darkdemon653Jul 6, 20171 votes

{quoted}

That would be a valid argument if there were items without CDR that Nasus actually wanted. However, all of his core offensive and defensive options come with CDR tacked onto them, exceptions that I'm aware of being.....well actually I'm pulling a blank here, maybe DMP?

I'm honestly not sure what is being disputed here, I'm talking about hitting the CDR cap in general not just when it comes to Nasus. Really, there aren't much sacrifices made when trying to achieve max CDR on pretty much every champion. Maybe back in the earlier seasons when CDR was a luxury stat with only 10% distributions on a few choice items and like 2 20% options. CDR is on so many items these days however that overcapping is a very common thing in builds. I've actually thought about dropping my CDR blues in favour of MR or AP blues because the 10% is kind of wasted unless the game is super short enough for me to not get half build.

There aren't many items without CDR that Nasus wants because he wants CDR. If he got 40% CDR as a second innate, his runes, masteries, and items would significantly change.

CatastropJul 6, 20171 votes

{quoted}

There aren't many items without CDR that Nasus wants because he wants CDR. If he got 40% CDR as a second innate, his runes, masteries, and items would significantly change.

Ah I understand what you're saying now, sorry about that I can be a bit slow sometimes.

That aside, your hypothetical passive would just make him worse. As it would make itemizing him feel awful, since some of the best item synergies available to him such as Spirit Visage, any Sheen item or Frozen Heart(if it ever got buffed to be good) have CDR which ends up being wasted gold efficiency.