Doran's shield should block more from ranged spells/basic attacks

FalconPawwwwnch·Jul 20, 2015·66 votes·2,269 views

The item is pretty underwhelming right now as is, this change at least makes it viable in some situations as opposed to none

31 Comments

YfrappefortJul 21, 201524 votes

Just drop the price to 400g...1 more pot during laning would make the difference.

redniwediSJul 20, 20159 votes

I don't know if it should block more or not, but it definitely needs to be competitive with the classic cloth-5 start.

Prospector PeteJul 21, 201522 votes

Hey.... Cloth 5 is what rank I am!

TusutakiJul 21, 20159 votes

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The item is pretty underwhelming right now as is, this change at least makes it viable in some situations as opposed to none

Or at the very least make it block 8 damage AFTER resistances rather than before. It is the only Doran's item that loses value as the game goes on.

Kim Jong OomJul 20, 20157 votes

It blocks 8 damage BEFORE calculating resistances... dear god...

LlaniteJul 21, 20151 votes

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It blocks 8 damage BEFORE calculating resistances... dear god...

Which is 10-15% of their AD depend on rune setup.

Champion SkinJul 21, 20152 votes

The thing is that... Doran's shield is the only doran's item which gets worse as the game goes on

Doran's blade scales well with the life steal and some AD and HP is always good Doran's Ring AP and HP is always just as good the mana might lose a little value as the mana costs get higher and base regen and base mana gets higher but it is still decent Doran's shield yes the HP and HP regen is decent and good though a lot of the value is in the block... however it scales horribly as it doesn't work with armor and MR and as the game goes on 8 damage is less and less relevant

LlaniteJul 21, 20151 votes

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The thing is that... Doran's shield is the only doran's item which gets worse as the game goes on

Doran's blade scales well with the life steal and some AD and HP is always good Doran's Ring AP and HP is always just as good the mana might lose a little value as the mana costs get higher and base regen and base mana gets higher but it is still decent Doran's shield yes the HP and HP regen is decent and good though a lot of the value is in the block... however it scales horribly as it doesn't work with armor and MR and as the game goes on 8 damage is less and less relevant

Uh, I'm pretty sure EVERY Doran get worse as game goes on. You're not supposed to keep it pass 15 minutes.

Champion SkinJul 21, 20151 votes

Ehh... well that is certainly not how Doran's blade works.. as the life steal get better and better as the game goes on as you get more and more AD/Crit/AS which enables you to get more and more HP from the same amount of life steal And of course AD and HP is always somewhat useful for ADC

Champion SkinJul 21, 20152 votes

FatalHaloJul 21, 20153 votes

item 1054 Lower the cost of Doran's shield because it isn't gold efficient as the other Doran items. So, you would be able to buy more potions. Or give it more health.

ShaftyMegeeJul 21, 20152 votes

I just say fuck it and usually take flask.

The LexerJul 21, 20151 votes

Right now I always skip dorans shield

Against AD: Cloth+5 pots (usually like 3 hp 2 mana but it depends) Against AP: Flask+3pots

Cloud PotatoJul 21, 20152 votes

They could give more counterplay to ranged champions instead, but seeing as the majority of ranged top laners are there because they lack any, well, nah we gotta think of the Supports!

Irelia BotJul 21, 20152 votes

Time for a dota refference to show that this item can be buffed

Stout Shield Gives a chance to block damage based on whether the equipped hero is melee or ranged. Proc Chance: 50% Blocked Damage (melee): 16 Blocked Damage (ranged): 8

Poor Man's Shield Blocks physical attack damage based on whether the equipped hero is ranged or melee. Poor Man's Shield will always block attacks from enemy Heroes, but has a 53% chance to block damage from creeps. Hero Proc Chance: 100% Non-Hero Proc Chance: 53% Blocked Damage (melee): 20 Blocked Damage (ranged): 10

So yes it could easily be balanced and would make a 1 v 2 lane easier to deal with as well as ranged champs who make it hell for non mobile melee.

FuaztinJul 20, 20151 votes

Dota has an item very similar to doran's. But it's actually balanced for melee champions to compete in for farm in lane. Doran's doesn't help with bullying after a few levels.

Bard in a DiaperJul 21, 20151 votes

its good on nasus vs all in lanes, I buy it quite frequently. (best nasus winrate in diamond+ on the server with 300 games)

manbearswineJul 21, 20151 votes

That make's no sense whatsoever,why not just make it block more in general,is it gonna oppress melees or something? If you want to buff an item,suggest one that makes sense.

FrikgeekJul 21, 20151 votes

There's a reason why it was nerfed and it needs to stay that way until the original problem is taken care of. It was being taken on meele supports instead of a gold item for great earlygame 2v2 power. It was basically a nuke. Nobody wanted to take it but if the enemy had it you needed it too or you'd get rolled early. Also with the camp-back-tp shennanigans we have going on in toplane right now a Dshield+5pots+1 manapot start would be a bit too strong as most ranged champions can't clear a camp at lvl 1.

HotgeminiJul 21, 20151 votes

I mean there are plenty of items that can or cant work for ranged. or do less perks for ranged. Why not items for def work the same way

Silents429Jul 21, 20151 votes

Can we just leave items that don't need to be messed with alone?

It works fine.

SouL1essJul 21, 20151 votes

How about make it so that melee users get more block: "damage reduction is increased if you are a melee champion"

Instead of "reducing damage if damage source is a ranged champion"

The Yetii RiderJul 21, 20151 votes

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How about make it so that melee users get more block: "damage reduction is increased if you are a melee champion"

Instead of "reducing damage if damage source is a ranged champion"

I agree, buff Kayle.

RIP Tahm KenchJul 21, 20151 votes

Kayle still wants AD for poking with blade, and if the shield was changed to this wording she'd still lose the extra damage reduction when she pressed E to fight; no reason to complain.

Zeus JukemJul 21, 20151 votes

you forget that it also gives you 6 HP regen, which is prretty op in lane especially on stuff like Vladimir

Reaper SorakaJul 21, 20151 votes

Doran's shield was my favorite starting item when it granted 10hp5, before the support items came out. I wish I could justify buying it today aside from the very rare top lane match-ups; usually it's better to just take the flask.