Soooo. No Lux or Udyr or Lee Sin or Jax or Fiora nerfs in the new patches...AGAIN!

Boomerangbro·Feb 9, 2016·4 votes·941 views

Gee. It's not like they all have great win rates in high elo and were overbuffed through kit changes or itemization changes. It's not like Lux is the top midlaner at the moment. It's not like her ult is on a 30 second cooldown. It's not like Jax is on permaban right now. It's not like I don't see Lee Sin as the top jungler pick right now. It's not like Runic Echoes Udyr can come barreling at you with 650 ms right now. It's not like Fiora can build full tank and still pop you in 2 seconds.

Seriously, no nerfs to any of these top picks right now, but I guess we have to hit Gangplank with 3 more nerfs first.

20 Comments

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 9, 20164 votes

You're right.Lux isn't fine.She needs nerfs promptly.But Riot's special champions.

5050BSFeb 11, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A9144H5y,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-02-09T22:20:48.327+0000)

You're right.Lux isn't fine.She needs nerfs promptly.But Riot's special champions.

QFT

Riot has favs and will not nerf them.

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 9, 20164 votes

Just very safe.Lol.50%+ win rate against all champions but isn't overpowered. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Lux is op and needs nerfs.

LadyRenlyFeb 9, 20163 votes

Lux is the epitome of balance

Sakura MirageFeb 9, 20163 votes

Lee is fine jax got a nerf lux is fine udyr is fine what are you complaining about?

CrossetteFeb 9, 20162 votes

this thread

TeemoJenkinsFeb 9, 20161 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Boomerangbro I'll just leave this here...

Udyr and Fiora don't have high win rates... aren't seeing a lot of high level play... are easy to counter. Jax got nerf'd, typically anytime someone complains about Lee Sin they "main jungle" but play JG's that Lee counters... (see match history of OP) - Lux isn't over powered just very safe.

CrossetteFeb 9, 20162 votes

Fiora

aren't seeing a lot of high level play

are easy to counter

Fiora

You're funnier than Gabriel Iglesias over here, amigo.

Fiora is literally sought after in the LCS and high tier play because she's a juggernaut with the damage of a full AD champion.

Jax's nerf wasn't in the right place. They buffed his attack speed at max stacks, which is obtained in 4 hits anyways instead of 8 because Sated, so if anything they just buffed him even more.

Yes, counterpick Lee Sin in every game you play even though you aren't always last pick, and you aren't always playing draft.

Also, Lux IS overpowered because who doesn't want two 400 health shields, easy access to 300 damage every 8 seconds and the ability to instadelete at level 6 if you land your snare?

blfUvZ8YbuFeb 9, 20161 votes

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You're funnier than Gabriel Iglesias over here, amigo.

Fiora is literally sought after in the LCS and high tier play because she's a juggernaut with the damage of a full AD champion.

Jax's nerf wasn't in the right place. They buffed his attack speed at max stacks, which is obtained in 4 hits anyways instead of 8 because Sated, so if anything they just buffed him even more.

Yes, counterpick Lee Sin in every game you play even though you aren't always last pick, and you aren't always playing draft.

Also, Lux IS overpowered because who doesn't want two 400 health shields, easy access to 300 damage every 8 seconds and the ability to instadelete at level 6 if you land your snare?

Your explanation is very good.Congratulations.

FrankerXFeb 9, 20161 votes

i wonder how much nerfs ppl want on lee sin hm. i bet he is the champ who got BY FAR the most nerfs in the history of lol and is still played a lot.

WenderwallFeb 16, 20161 votes

I don't like lee, becuz he runs away before I can kill him.

Paladin 0f LifeFeb 9, 20161 votes

Jax isn't op just rage blade

Mecha MaIphiteFeb 9, 20161 votes

Lee and Jax have 46% winrates in high elo. In fact, Lee players with over 125 games don't even break 50%.

Stop trying to farm upvotes and take a moment to actually think about what you're talking about.

A Wild AP SonaFeb 10, 20161 votes

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Gee. It's not like they all have great win rates in high elo and were overbuffed through kit changes or itemization changes. It's not like Lux is the top midlaner at the moment. It's not like her ult is on a 30 second cooldown. It's not like Jax is on permaban right now. It's not like I don't see Lee Sin as the top jungler pick right now. It's not like Runic Echoes Udyr can come barreling at you with 650 ms right now. It's not like Fiora can build full tank and still pop you in 2 seconds.

Seriously, no nerfs to any of these top picks right now, but I guess we have to hit Gangplank with 3 more nerfs first.

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welcome to high elo where these are rushed by at least 2/5 3/5 of the champions on the enemy team and people actually arent bronzies and understand that if they keep track of lux CD she is a free divable kill and dont just build 6 damage items

THEY ACTUALLY BUY DEFENSE ITEMS TOO GASP

"lolololol lux such easy champion"

ahri dodges your entire kit with 4 flashs then kills you with autotargeted damage or zones you from entire teamfight

rushs frost queen and uses it then charges you down from screen away and kill you 1v1 or ccs until someone else shows up to finish you

flashs over a wall and knocks you out of your turret

rushs so you do 300 damage to her with your entire full combo and turret dives you during a deep jungler gank

rushs and infinite flashs 0 chance of lux living vs this champion mid/end game

with and homeguard tp gank you automatically die 0 counterplay this guy & hits harder than most 10 kill assassins

no comment

this guy can literally 100-0 lux with 1 taunt mid/end game

ults behind your turret while your being dove by the mid/jungler

ults behind your turret while your being dove by the mid/jungler

ults your escape path

ults/jumps over wall at you

plenty of mobility to dive you and ult you with and can easily fit 2 mr items into his build

holds her ult until you try to poke then ults as you step forward/ults you from fog of war

you do no damage to this man and he can easily dive you

you do no damage to this ~~man~~ little prick and he can easily dive you

if the fedora ever catchs you then she can easily 2-3 shot you and has infinite bunny hops to dodge your skills with and outruns you over a long distance

its not that lux is OP its that you low elos are bad and dont know how to itemize/dive an immobile champion with 10 second cooldowns

sorry kid lux has a 50% win ratio in diamond right now thats not op

WenderwallFeb 16, 20161 votes

How do I upvote your post? Lol,,

Bears Dont CareFeb 10, 20161 votes

Why nerf udyr? He hasn't been changed in forever so clearly, it's not an issue of items as they have not changed since devourer, it's not character stats as they are unchanged, it is a meta change.

When the meta shifts he will drop.

LadyRenlyFeb 10, 20161 votes

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Why nerf udyr? He hasn't been changed in forever so clearly, it's not an issue of items as they have not changed since devourer, it's not character stats as they are unchanged, it is a meta change.

When the meta shifts he will drop.

dude, you must have missed the memo because an entire new jungle item came out.

Bears Dont CareFeb 10, 20161 votes

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dude, you must have missed the memo because an entire new jungle item came out.

Not to be rude or anything but...runic echoes is a lesser version of ludens echo, and he didn't become broken on that items release.

LadyRenlyFeb 11, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=A9144H5y,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2016-02-10T22:27:53.265+0000)

Not to be rude or anything but...runic echoes is a lesser version of ludens echo, and he didn't become broken on that items release.

I don't think any sane person would build Ludens on Udyr, but Runic is a strong choice because it helps give mana back in the jungle so he can keep on doing Udyr things, and coupled with the movespeed and AP which helps him even more, makes him even harder to stop him from doing Udyr things

Bears Dont CareFeb 11, 20161 votes

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I don't think any sane person would build Ludens on Udyr, but Runic is a strong choice because it helps give mana back in the jungle so he can keep on doing Udyr things, and coupled with the movespeed and AP which helps him even more, makes him even harder to stop him from doing Udyr things

You missed the point. If runic echoes is an issue, why was there no issue with runeglaive which did yhe same thing and provided higher sustain due to procs? Or any other strong ap item?

I believe it's a meta shift, not an actual balance issue